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    RBE Simulation project

    Hello there,

    I'm here with an idea to make a program that will simulate a NL/RBE. I'm not far in this project, in fact I made it today. The idea is a bit older then today. I have been running around with it for a couple of months but never really put it into work.

    I will tell you now what I have tought about yet.

    Supply and Production Calculation

    So I made some classes. Tinkered a bit about how I calculate demand, production and looked up some information about it. I watched this video: Peter Joseph: Economic Calculation in a Natural Law / Resource Based Economy - YouTube but didn't find the precise information to really utilize in a simulation. The video describes the variables needed and yeah that's not really enough. Are there some algorithms or formula's to calculate demand and production needed?

    Another way I tought of calculating this was using the price system of today. So for example when something is rare in the current system the price goes up when the opposite happens the price goes down and this is simply drived by supply and demand. So when this "price" goes up production would know it has to produce more.

    Collection of information about all existing resources

    I'm starting this from an example from gold. there are a couple of factors we have to consider when obtaining gold. We need to know how much time it takes to obtain a resource and have it ready to use in a product. We have to mine the gold offcourse, transport it, ... Also energy needed in KwH. So we should look up information about it and constantly update it.


    Ok so I was planning to write this in Python and use a sqlite database to store the information about resources, ... The project is made and I have some classes. It's just going to be a command line application for now. It should just take a file as input which contains the state of the simulated RBE (people, number of resources, ...). Also this file should contain events which happen at inputted times (A sudden increase in demand for X product, A mine defecting resulting in less resource obtaining).

    If you want to help or have suggestions please comment. Also other programmers here who want to help to you guys specifically I like help because this is mostly a project which involves you guys. Also people who know about economics and resource management are really appreciated because I don't know alot about that and will have to research this further so having more qualified people is certainly more helpfull.

    PS: I don't really know if i should post it at global redesign institute forums but I think its a project that really relates to this so I tought maybe it could become a part of this.

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    i would make AI bots, their behavior defined by a set of environmental factors, starting characteristics and values
    throw in AI bots for resource extraction, processing, production and distribution

    and then they interact in a decentralized fashion, consuming and producing

    but this cannot work, it omits our capacity to adjust and solve problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaby_64 View Post
    i would make AI bots, their behavior defined by a set of environmental factors, starting characteristics and values
    throw in AI bots for resource extraction, processing, production and distribution.
    and then they interact in a decentralized fashion, consuming and producing
    I was planning to just make semi-random patterns of consumption representing one human's needs and wants. Everything from the process of resource allocation to the product in the end users hands should work with modern statistics. For example forecasting when we need higher production for certain products.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaby_64 View Post
    but this cannot work, it omits our capacity to adjust and solve problems
    Yes that's why i'm planning to program it and make the computer decide. It's really just going to be for the purpose that people can have a very detailed understanding of how resource allocation is done in an RBE. I may have to change the name of the project since RBE simulation is too much of a general term.

    The very end goal of this project will be that you can just take the code of this project and just put it in society.

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    Hello. First time posting. What can I help with? I can do programming.

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    What you can do is to read trough this topic: Global Redesign Institute as a problem solving platform

    It is a lot of text but I think that defines an approach that are the most structured currently. Then, to actually do something, there have to be a bit more persons involved in this. Perhaps something we could do already now is to begin breaking down the problem.

    However there are always a risk of double work, if there are other developers working on GRI. Most likely there are not, and that would mean that we are the one who actually is/could be the developers of GRI.
    Last edited by AlienCat; 04-13-2014 at 08:39 AM.

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    AlienCat, I meant regarding this topic/proposal. Not that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienCat View Post
    However there are always a risk of double work, if there are other developers working on GRI. Most likely there are not, and that would mean that we are the one who actually is/could be the developers of GRI.
    Yes I have looked into it and it seems like TVP is doing a very similar project to what I proposed in this topic here. So I can better use my skills in some other project.

    @Thaidaree With the above saying. This project is not going to happen. I do appreciate your enthousiasm and I hope you can participate in another project.

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    Too bad. Considering the volunteers on that other topic, it seems like it's shaping to be a LAMP stack app or some different variety. I can't help there.

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    hi there.
    i'm new here, are you still working on this problems? i think i can help in some stuff, and would like to collaborate.

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    What if...

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