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    Study on Incentives

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    I remember that during one of the talks a study was mentioned that gave people essential resources for a period of time (duration of the study) and found that people didn't sit around and do nothing but instead took on jobs and were productive.

    if anyone can direct me to this study or tell me who wrote it so I can look it up; I will be forever in your 'debt'
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    Not sure if this is what you're thinking of, but 2 possible things come to mind:

    1. Dan Pink's presentation:


    2. Google's 20% program: The Google Way: Give Engineers Room - The New York Times

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    Not to change topic...because this is a good one....But since he doesn't come around as often any more I must give a SHOUT.OUT...to....HEY Neil! How'd your bees make it through the winter? We only lost one colony....our best winter ever. We'll be splitting the strong ones as soon as the dandelions start blooming up here....

    OK...sorry.....Please continue....


    ....Oh....almost forgot.....WElcome to this forum GloldenGear
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    Thanks human, I was ecstatic when I found this forum. I have been studying incentives on my free time for the last month to get an idea of "human capital" in an RBE

    I am not sure just how organized TZM is right now, but I want to try and establish a study group in the near future.
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    @droneBEE Blessed are the beekeepers for theirs is the kingdom of honey....and mead.

    Great Question GoldenGear and thanks Neil for the link. So much of our economic ideology is predicated on on the idea that everybody does what they do for money. This is Adam Smith's enlightened self interest. Students of economics are taught this principle from day one, usually with the baker and butcher parable. Truly enlightened self interest goes beyond "Whats in it for me."
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    That is true, and all the literature on intrinsic Vs Extrinsic motivators that I have found leads me to believe that: Yes people will be highly productive in an RBE...however, I can't prove it.

    The only real way is to actually study it in a prototype TVP style city with a functional 100% RBE ...but since we don't have that. I wanted to see if any rich people already did these studies before.

    also while we're on the subject, anyone have a pdf copy of sociocyberneering ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGear View Post
    That is true, and all the literature on intrinsic Vs Extrinsic motivators that I have found leads me to believe that: Yes people will be highly productive in an RBE...however, I can't prove it.
    To me this is basically just common sense in Human behavior. How long can a Society lasts if people were built to be an Unproductive species? How Biologically strong can an individual remain if they lived a life of Unproductive activity?
    This would truly be a Wasted Life. It would defeat the purpose of being born. Evolution is full of the Productivity of man. It's Intrinsic to human nature, for you need it to Survive. Only in the context of Capitalism can you say that people are "naturally" unproductive because you need an excuse for them to have to be productive to survive. But surviving isn't only about basic needs. It's also about surviving to live a Happy Life which is not easy to attain in this type of system. But that's the goal for Everyone. Everyone wants and Needs that for their benefit and Society as a whole. That Never goes away hence the fact why people will continue to choose to be productive in their lives even in a System like a NLRBE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Not to change topic...because this is a good one....But since he doesn't come around as often any more I must give a SHOUT.OUT...to....HEY Neil! How'd your bees make it through the winter? We only lost one colony....our best winter ever. We'll be splitting the strong ones as soon as the dandelions start blooming up here....
    That's awesome!

    Unfortunately the 4 I had in Lorton lost all their colonies to those pesky small hive beetles from what I can tell (it seems obvious given how badly infested they were with them); a friend who set up 2 of the hives in Loudoun (but not up in the mountainous area where there's too much tree canopy and little or no pollen & nectar resources) said they both seem to be doing well.

    I also observed something strange happen at the Lorton site - one of the hives got temporarily populated with a colony a few weeks ago, then it left; have you ever heard of something like that before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    That's awesome!

    Unfortunately the 4 I had in Lorton lost all their colonies to those pesky small hive beetles from what I can tell (it seems obvious given how badly infested they were with them); a friend who set up 2 of the hives in Loudoun (but not up in the mountainous area where there's too much tree canopy and little or no pollen & nectar resources) said they both seem to be doing well.

    I also observed something strange happen at the Lorton site - one of the hives got temporarily populated with a colony a few weeks ago, then it left; have you ever heard of something like that before?
    I didn't get into keeping bees for the honey or the money....although both seem to appear just when we need them ...Its for the pure pleasure of keeping them alive and thriving.....Honey and any money (we've never made much money from honey) are bonuses that come and go, depending on the year and weather. I've often compared beekeeping with fishing....as in catching fish is the bonus....but I go fishing for just that small amount of time being on the water.....chillin'

    ***You described "absconding".....I've only witnessed it a few times, usually in the Spring when trying to make sense why some made it and some didn't. There are a few theories...especially if only a handful of dead are found....It often indicates some type of poisoning....weather natural or man made...

    Was it a Swarm that occupied the hive..or a package? Both are known to have 'scouts' seeking better living conditions from the moment they decide....so that could be an answer as well...

    Personally, I feel that Our success at keeping these wonderful little creatures alive is due to firm commitment NOT to ever capitalize off them to the extent that they become threatened....to attempt a means that allows them to live as 'wild' a life as we can provide....We are advocates of Tom Seeley and his methods (who has written some fine articles in ABJ), which sure seem to work very well with our bees....

    ...apologies Again for being off topic.......but Spring is an exciting time around here....and 'ours' has just begun.....

    BTW; I think the way we treat bees today has much to do with their/OUR problems today.....We cannot continue to treat bees (or people) like cattle and expect them to Moooooo....they are still wild animals.....and we must always keep that fact front and center or many will be taking flight for other pastures...IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    To me this is basically just common sense in Human behavior. How long can a Society lasts if people were built to be an Unproductive species? How Biologically strong can an individual remain if they lived a life of Unproductive activity?
    This would truly be a Wasted Life. It would defeat the purpose of being born. Evolution is full of the Productivity of man. It's Intrinsic to human nature, for you need it to Survive. Only in the context of Capitalism can you say that people are "naturally" unproductive because you need an excuse for them to have to be productive to survive. But surviving isn't only about basic needs. It's also about surviving to live a Happy Life which is not easy to attain in this type of system. But that's the goal for Everyone. Everyone wants and Needs that for their benefit and Society as a whole. That Never goes away hence the fact why people will continue to choose to be productive in their lives even in a System like a NLRBE.

    It may seem like common sense, but without a way to test it. Its going to be very hard to convince some people (academia comes to mind)

    I have some ideas about how to prove this, but its costly... I would like to see what happens when people are placed in RBE, even today's people. And even people who are not exactly easily adapted to RBE and an access economy . such as the "bad dudes" The Donald likes to mention

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