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Thread: Peter Joseph TZM Podcast for Feb 25th 2015 - Q & A

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    Peter, as people are knowing about a resource based economy, there are already certain geographical locations where people practice a natural based system, like in parts of the Amazon, some islands, where no monetary system, private property, and no government exists. How would people who don't rely on outside elements be involved in a global resource based system ?

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    Is it not possible that the powers that be, in the interest of self-preservation, use their influence to mobilize our moving toward a hyper artificial economy? One that mandates sustainable systems --- like biodegradable, clean energy produced goods and services that can be recycled back into the system as needed and the deliberate implementation of redundant modes of employment to keep cyclical consumption in check, the arbitrarily illegalization of technologies that permit too much freedom: decentralized production (under the guise of aiding terrorism) etc, decentralized currency, etc, etc - ultimately meaning a natural law, resource-based economic model isn't so urgently necessary? Perhaps centuries or even millennia away? With respect to the train of thought put forth by sustainable systems advocates, does it not seem we're more likely to get this kinda society at least before a real emergent civilization manages to ascend this ignorance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serf View Post
    Dear Peter,

    In some of your last interviews you spoke briefly about a Guaranteed Universal Basic Income. (London Real & Breaking the set - RT)
    I also saw a great presentation by Frederico on this subject.
    As an active member of TZM I was wondering what your thoughts are on promoting a basic income. It is becoming very prominent in the Netherlands right now and I feel it could be a transition towards an NLRBE and for reducing the increasing pressure of the current system.
    Also what do you consider as potential roadblocks or negative aspects of a universal basic income?

    Thank you very much for you time and effort. It is great having you back on the radio-show!

    With kind regards,
    Serf Doesborgh
    I would hope it'd be regarded/respected as only a quick, temporary transitional thing
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    TheSleepingEye: Disregarding the processes involved in production for the moment, for the sake of simplicity, resource management is simply the process of A)extracting a mineral ore (like iron) or biological substance (like a plant) and moving it to a B)refinery so it can be used to make parts or substances at a C)factory that are then sent to an D)assembly plant to make the product that is then E)distributed to users by a wholesaler to retailer and in some cases directly to user and then to F)waste/recycling.

    So algebraically the process of resource management follows this chain A>>B>>C>>D>>E>>F.

    The natural part is at point A and where it is extracted, and you can only extract what is available at any given location and then move on.
    B,C,D represent what is referred to as supply chain management
    E,F represent consumer habits.
    The >> represent distances traveled and logistic processes to get from each point to the next.



    The sensor aspect is referring to the use of satellite imagery to detect minerals, each mineral sort of has a unique heat signature and color. Mineral Mapping, Mining, Geological Mapping | Satellite Imaging Corp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deivid Z Arg View Post
    Dear Peter, from Argentina, we are so glad that you came back to the radio

    QUESTION: Dont you think that veganism maybe one of the most difficult things for people to overcome in the biggest transition of all which is VALUE shifting?
    Quote by Leo Tolstoy: “Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.”


    thank you so much!
    take care, david
    Hi David, though I don't speak for TZM I think I might have an interesting answer for you

    Initially, during transition, any omnivoric folks can be fed with ethically and sustainably produced artificial meat by the currently existing means of synthesizing it. Its been done petri dish style. Its virtually the same thing. And if I remember correctly, protein in the form of meat products are now 3Dprintable too, or at least conceptually. But rlly though in a nature-aligned economy that seeks to ephemeralize everything, you can expect free food of the best quality to be universally available in addition to honest, digestible information regarding appropriate nutrition for the human system. Once people have access to a free and easy, trustworthy, open-source consensus they will naturally explore it in attempt to to satiate their natural desire to be happy/healthy as there is no difference between the two. Trust that Daryl is going to be wondering why Jon lived 35 years longer than Mary and didn't lose his eyesight in the process. Also, according to the natural observable phenomenon of the 100 monkey effect, it only takes a certain amount of people to adopt a specific behavior before everybody adopts it in a chain reaction kinda response. I encourage you to search for '100 Monkey Effect', its very interesting.
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    Hello PJ & Extended TZM Family. ( I am Impressed with the overall questions this time)... this is a 2 part question....

    >( Part 1: Statement to the whole movement.... ) Although I am honored to have you on the show, I feel its important to point out that the success of this movement will be dependent on our engagement amongst each other, rather than idolization of PJ & always waiting for his films & answers etc Its more empowering if we recognize that if PJ can we all can :-) (This is mostly directed at the ZM online community as a whole rather than you...). I recently read a comment that stated "Its not worth listening to the radio shows if its not PJ" which I couldn't help but chuckle at in dismay... I understand this is a broader societal issue originating from school where we depend on answers from teachers but its something we as a movement need to transcend. Could you help echo this...

    >( Part 2: More Directed at PJ ) In my opinion Hibernation is crucial for developing ideas & creativity, how do you manage this & keeping composed with your upcoming film & projects etc... Do you go on walks, watch chick flicks or meditate. Book/film suggestions would be great. I think its important for movement members to learn how to calm the [Inflammatory word removed. Please be civil and respectful][Inflammatory word removed. Please be civil and respectful][Inflammatory word removed. Please be civil and respectful][Inflammatory word removed. Please be civil and respectful] down ;-)

    Cheers & keep up the exceptional work (If its still fun and rewarding ;-) )
    ELA x

    P.S (ALL welcome to FREE bi weekly events (London) focused on engagement amongst participants & Enlightening Creative ContentAKA short films
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    Achilles heel of TZM message ?

    Hi PJ

    watching many of your interviews one gets the impression that your assertion that we don't need democracy and that decisions will be arrived at is hard to imagine.
    On the young turks interview you won all the arguments except the critical one about who will make decisions. There always needs to be someone to make a decision. I don't think a super computer is going to amass all the information and say make a decision about saving the sperm whale over the panda without people feeling let down.

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    Hello Peter

    I was wondering if you're familiar with Anarchism, and I'm not referring to anarchy or Anarcho Capitalism, but this: Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The reason I'm mentioning Anarchism is because it seems to have a lot in common with the Resource Based Economy train of thought, especially based on Murray Bookchin's Post Scarcity Anarchism work.

    Murray Bookchin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Post-Scarcity Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Other interesting work from Anarchist thought include:

    Libertarian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Anarcho-syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you think it would be worthwhile to cooperate with the Anarchist community and learn from each other?

    If you're not familiar, then that's fine, but would you be willing to learn about it and tell us what you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabenman View Post
    Hi Peter (excuse me for my english)

    Looking for "The Transition to a NL/RBE"
    Has TZM evaluate some Countries and Cities where it will emerge by consensus?
    I can think in Nordic Countries due to have a more equal society that have good access to education, health and pension
    They maybe are more in line with the new value system and considering that they are making some experimental sustainable village.

    Taking this account, Has TZM a working plan in different areas that show high efficient and abundance?
    (Because I found hard to believe that they will jump to a new city system right away)

    Thanks!!
    Hello friend

    No TZM doesn't have detailed "plans" explaining exactly how sustainable infrastructure should/could be implemented. The specifics depend on the surveyed capacity of a given region's potential. Though they do have a conceptual project called the 'Global Redesign Institute' which aims to show precisely that. It's an open-source project in need of volunteers. I dont know much about it but I think I've heard it described as an interactive map that allows you to zoom in on any part of the globe to see how the earth would look should we finally implement some sustainable infrastructure. If you find it of interest n think maybe you've got some contributable skill sets you outta contact those involved. I think they've begun building a website for it I've been meaning to visit myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorant View Post
    Hello Peter

    I was wondering if you're familiar with Anarchism, and I'm not referring to anarchy or Anarcho Capitalism, but this: Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The reason I'm mentioning Anarchism is because it seems to have a lot in common with the Resource Based Economy train of thought, especially based on Murray Bookchin's Post Scarcity Anarchism work.

    Murray Bookchin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Post-Scarcity Anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Other interesting work from Anarchist thought include:

    Libertarian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Anarcho-syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you think it would be worthwhile to cooperate with the Anarchist community and learn from each other?

    If you're not familiar, then that's fine, but would you be willing to learn about it and tell us what you think?
    Does anarchism use money?

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