The main difference between rich and poor
Having infiltrated a rich folks forum, I've been able to observe them in their natural habitat, as such, some things I've noticed:
First, the biggest difference I've noticed is that generally rich folk help each other, not just with advice, but with freebies too.
And of course, helping each other to both be richer !
Whilst poor folk, I've noticed on the whole, generally do not go beyond advice and freebies, they stop at the part in helping each other to be rich !
Those that do, well, they end up rich. :-)
I used to think it was lack of opportunity that kept most poor folk poor, and whilst there is some truth to that, I've also seen poor folk offered quite easy opportunities to earn money, and they just can't be bothered to do so. (I was chatting to one the other day, which prompted me to post this thread, as they admitted they was just lazy.)
As such, any solutions that might involve say crowd funding to build a TVP/TZM city, I could imagine being a possibility, as that is just asking folk to donate money.
But any solutions that involve, making money, so you could donate it, just don't appear to work very well at all.
Even though, for many folk, they have jobs, so they are kinda used to making money !
And you'd think they would really like to make more money.
I guess perhaps that folk just do the minimum work necessary to get by, and no more.
As such, progress is only really going to happen when the few that do want to make lots of money and have TVP/TZM tendencies get together and help us all transition.
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Now, as to other things I have noticed with rich folk. (Poor folk may well do the same things, I'm not sure!)
In a group of say 99% helpful rich folk, all helping each other, you get that 1% (Though I hear from study, that figure is more like 8%..) who do their best to stir up as much trouble as possible to stop anyone who might end up being a threat to their wealth creation plans.
Now I come to think of it, that does happen in groups with poor folk too, doesn't it !
Or at least, there are trouble makers who pick on certain people who might be considered the best and brightest in the group.
This has an interesting effect in that some 45% of the rest of the population then start behaving negatively towards that person as well.
Once you remove the trouble maker though, that 45% go back to being cooperative and helpful again !
I wonder if what we are seeing is mobbing ?
I have also noticed that the rich use the best possible tools for the task at hand, as this gives them the most productivity and efficiency. (Assumed.)
Whilst best tools can often be costly, sometimes they can be cheap, but not very well known !
As such, I've been making a collection of the ones I can afford so I too can be more productive and efficient.
It is perhaps of interest how some of their solutions and eventual businesses are TVP / TZM based, perhaps because many of them are former hippy types with idealistic notions.
For some reason, I'm reminded of:
Now I'm just waiting for Telsa to produce cheap electric cars like Ford did with the Model T, so those of us at the bottom of the spending pile can swan around in the luxury of being driven electrically.
Rich will at times, do anything to save money !
I remember when I used to work for rich folk fixing things, and rather than buy a new replacement something, they would rather I fixed it for peanuts !
I remember one rich person who didn't have a car pointing out it was cheaper to use a taxi for the few times they travelled, than buying their own vehicle !
Another had an electric vehicle on the basis that it was cheaper overall than a gas guzzling vehicle. (This was probably back in the old days when public recharging points was free..)
A good forum packed with advice on saving money is:
Money Saving Expert: Credit Cards, Shopping, Bank Charges, Cheap Flights and more
They have a forum too !
Might be considered though more a UK focused site.
Many poor folk don't want to be whores for the system, they'd rather stay poor than compromise their own ideals.
Originally Posted by YouTuber
I "lost" a lot of money just because i don't compromise; no cheating, no lying, no false advertisement, nothing illegal or Grey are.. opportunities are endless but i refuse.
in the past when i compromised cash was flowing like a river.
I stated something that's related or overlaps with this a while back here, on this thread: Why Dystopia?
Originally Posted by YouTuber
Sorry man...but your opinions on Rich and Poor folks while being off base, incorrect, somewhat offensive, and diversionary....its all just anecdotal based on 'your observations....
Fortunately for me I don't quite see the world quite the same....finding that poor folks are considerably more willing to SHARE and the wealthy have a hard time giving up anything....that's my own observation. I've also found poor folks to be much more HONEST than the Well off....
ONE Question; How do you suppose you gained access to a 'rich folks forum' ......and became an infiltrator????....and now a purveyor of data about them??
"People seek to satisfy their desires with the least amount of exertion" - Henry George 1878
> finding that poor folks are considerably more willing to SHARE and the wealthy have a hard time giving up anything....that's my own observation.
I've seen the same thing there too.
Wealthy don't stay wealthy by giving stuff away. :-)
But whilst poor folk might share a meal with you, they wouldn't go as far as starting a farming cooperative to provide lower cost, or even free food for the village.
That step requires the wealthy person to organise, even though collectively the poor could have the resources to do it themselves, they just don't want to.
Even though it could benefit them greatly to do so !
They might even all agree its a great idea, but they just want someone else to do it. :-)
When that someone else in the village does it, they then become wealthy !
Usually by charging the poor folk...
I sometimes wonder, why doesn't one of the poor folk, when they build something to help the poor, actually really help them, say with free food, rather than just selling them cheaper food..
I've spoken to a few wealthy folk about that, and they tell me that the poor folk don't deserve it because they refused to help them when they wanted help, so they are repaying the karma !
And so the cycle continues, poor stay poor, some poor become rich, end up not treating the poor too kindly and the cycle continues.
How might we break that cycle ?
Become wealthy, but not treat the poor badly ?
That I think might be a good first step.
After all, look at Linux, that helps the poor.
I'd love to provide free food to the poor, but I don't have the land to do so !
Now, can I convince any of my neighbours who have land, to use it for that purpose..
And then, where do I find the workers who will work for free to build it all in the first place !
> How do you suppose you gained access to a 'rich folks forum'
I asked nicely if a rich person would give me one of their free passes so I could access it, rather than having to pay a small fortune for the privilege. (One of those, pay for access, get 4 free passes for friends/etc.)
Poor people stay poor because that's how the System is structured to end up. More poor, fewer rich. Nobody wants to be poor but it's extremely difficult to become rich and when they do, they try and hold on to that spot with everything they have. And when you do that, that's when you're no longer doing things for the benefit of others but more for the benefit of oneself which is completely understandable under this type of System. And what you eventually get is a Socioeconomic environment where the poor are not only fighting the day to day happenings of the Economic System but also those above them in the social class(rich) who are doing all they can to look out for their own prosperities. So this type of System is doom to fail for many because it promotes that people become as wealthy as possible and when this happens, it will leave behind many to struggle at the bottom as a consequence of many of the actions of those wealthier people above them. Really a Screwed-Up System with no end in sight.