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    The final pieces to the puzzle.

    As we witness all of these eco-communities, villages and neighborhoods popping up all around the world.
    Internet is becoming saturated with guides on how to live self-sustainable
    The open-source movement showing people how to build their own tools, houses and even construction vehicles.

    Advents of 3D printing giving us printer that are able to self-replicate,
    not a doubt in my mind there will be self-replicable 3D printers building houses in a matter of 5-10 years.
    3D printers able of print anything between fine 3D electronics to vehicles and even foods are being developed.

    Still, until recently there wasn't a technology available to allow eco-villages to scale up to cities with complex economies.
    Currently, scaling such a community up to more than 400-500 people adds complexities that require the centralization of power
    and a ton of bureaucracy leading to the same potential points-of-failure as our current city/state councils.

    Basically, what the blockchain technology and Ethereum ecosystem in specific offer is pretty similar to what
    Jacque envisions, except without being an all powerfull central computer handling everything, it's a network of thousands of
    computers each doing their part but sharing a single common database.
    What that does is prevent individuals from tinkering with the system's values, for if he was to change an input in the database all other computers would reject it.


    With a community ran on a single database operating through smart contracts we can set up all of the needed decentralized governing institutions,
    and the rest of infrastructure's underlying software.
    -Set up a community mutual credit fund (preferably with a basic income guaranteed)
    -With a few clicks, establish a bunch of decentralized autonomous organizations with purposes of establishing and maintaining
    specific parts of the community's infrastructure (electricity grid, water, transport, food production, restaurants, events etc.)
    -Each of these have a separate interface with a rigid system of deciding what is needed for the project. (posting of ideas > debating and
    collaboratively upgrading the ideas > system deciding and picking the right people for the job)
    -Set up a decentralized general governing body for everything else (remember: it's censorship resistant and nobody can alter the results)
    -Everyone able to set up his identity, which he then uses to access the economy and shift across the organizations. The profile shows the reputation and power tokens
    each organization has. The tokens are used to establish how much has he contributed to each organization. If the community is still in transitioning from
    "buying stuff", there can be tokens inside each organization representing "shares" on which he can receive automatic dividends.
    The profile also knows everything you ever done, and all types of transactions except private companies are not able to monetize your data
    because only the system brain itself can access if/when certain contract requires to. (everyone can free-lance all the time)

    Remember, all of this runs on a single, transparent, democratized, immutable and censorship resistant database. There can never be no "politician" bending the rules.

    Best of all: no paperwork ever needed


    Note: non of these are fully developed technologies yet (except the currency as it's the most basic use), but most are actually already in a working prototype
    phase and I expect them to be full-feature in a couple of years.

    Any questions?
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    1. Why do you want a currency?

    What I am describing here are tokens, not a currency. Some tokens could be used as a currency, however.
    In a system of vast complexity you need tokens.
    A token inside a programmable database can represent anything:
    -Different kinds of reputation
    -Hours contributed to community services
    -Contribution to a specific project
    -One's contribution to a specific project
    -One's expertise in a certain subject
    -Energy
    -Food
    -Carbon footprint
    It allows the system to know how to serve you.
    They can be transferable and non-transferable.
    If certain tokens are burned for accessing services such as food and shelter, a basic amount of those is guaranteed to every community member.
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    Why do you want a currency?

    To me, a modern community is not just one which runs on machines, but first and foremost one in which people have sound values (respect for nature and diversity, sustainability, equity, solidarity, objectivity and transparency). Such a community, if it reaches the self-sustainable stage, has no need for a currency and should not need technology beyond what is currently available to function smoothly.

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    We are talking about the transition here, not RBE itself.
    I don't WANT a currency, but we are not there yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrod View Post
    We are talking about the transition here, not RBE itself.
    I don't WANT a currency, but we are not there yet.
    Yes during the transition you need money to interact with the market-driven society, but why use money (or any tokens) within the community whose objective is to achieve the RBE? Transparency should be enough to gauge the adequacy of people's behaviours.
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    Read my explanation in the FAQ.
    Those tokens are what ALLOWS the transparency that is not based on "he saw me do it". Which IMHO is needed in a community of millions of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrod View Post
    Read my explanation in the FAQ.
    Those tokens are what ALLOWS the transparency that is not based on "he saw me do it". Which IMHO is needed in a community of millions of people.
    I think we agree on the idea of documenting people's activities in a database. Where I disagree is your idea of conditional access to goods and services by paying for them -- I think our experience is that this mindset encourages personal profit at the expense of the community. IMHO access should be given unconditionally, work voluntary, based on personal responsibility and common sense.
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    2 say dat money is needed in any way is as contradictionary as sayin dat d state is first needed in order 4 anarchy 2 acctualize=/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    I think we agree on the idea of documenting people's activities in a database. Where I disagree is your idea of conditional access to goods and services by paying for them -- I think our experience is that this mindset encourages personal profit at the expense of the community. IMHO access should be given unconditionally, work voluntary, based on personal responsibility and common sense.
    You keep looking at tokens as if they are money, they are not.
    First of all, all the tokens are dispersed by the program, and it's based on merit. So one cannot earn them doing something selfishly because you only get them for contributing to
    community organizations and projects which are all collaboratively ran.
    And the second point is, everyone gets whatever is abundant free of charge, at first that means food and shelter but as we expand more and more can be produced in abundance.
    Some types of tokens can be used for reserving access to things that cannot or are unsustainable to be massively produced.
    Most tokens are however used for people to see what's your level of contribution, and for the system to be able to decide if you're the right person for a specific task based on your past
    experiences, and fields of expertise tokens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrod View Post
    You keep looking at tokens as if they are money, they are not.
    First of all, all the tokens are dispersed by the program, and it's based on merit. So one cannot earn them doing something selfishly because you only get them for contributing to
    community organizations and projects which are all collaboratively ran.
    gr8 so den u woud basically just b a slave 4 d "non-xistin" goverment working for food n shelter, it got a word: slavari
    And the second point is, everyone gets whatever is abundant free of charge, at first that means food and shelter but as we expand more and more can be produced in abundance.
    Some types of tokens can be used for reserving access to things that cannot or are unsustainable to be massively produced.
    Most tokens are however used for people to see what's your level of contribution, and for the system to be able to decide if you're the right person for a specific task based on your past
    experiences, and fields of expertise tokens.
    money provide a certain kind of freedom 2 day n woud b if a society stoped using money n only isolated demself w/i d community, money woud have d means of using it in countrys dat still uses money f.x if u r about 2 travel 2 thailand u r not abal 2 do dat du 2 d lack of resources in ur RBE communiti

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