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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifee View Post
    gr8 so den u woud basically just b a slave 4 d "non-xistin" goverment working for food n shelter, it got a word: slavari
    money provide a certain kind of freedom 2 day n woud b if a society stoped using money n only isolated demself w/i d community, money woud have d means of using it in countrys dat still uses money f.x if u r about 2 travel 2 thailand u r not abal 2 do dat du 2 d lack of resources in ur RBE communiti
    Oh come on, are you even reading what I'm saying?
    It seems like you're not even reading and are only trying to "proove" me wrong with sentences that make no sense, and completely disregard whatever I say.
    And I have a really hard time reading through your posts.
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    i woud rather discuzz how 2 create a free society w/o neither laws n money =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifee View Post
    i woud rather discuzz how 2 create a free society w/o neither laws n money =/
    Yup, that's the goal. But still you haven't read anything of what i wrote.
    If you think that's another subject, open up another thread.
    If you realize we're talking about the same thing, take the time to read and understand what I'm saying not just blatantly declining all of it on no basis.

    Seriously, does nobody think this is valuable?
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    well u basically just talks about credits n tokens so i dont rly know where ur goin cuz i dont agree w/ u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrod View Post
    You keep looking at tokens as if they are money, they are not.
    First of all, all the tokens are dispersed by the program, and it's based on merit. So one cannot earn them doing something selfishly because you only get them for contributing to
    community organizations and projects which are all collaboratively ran.
    And the second point is, everyone gets whatever is abundant free of charge, at first that means food and shelter but as we expand more and more can be produced in abundance.
    Some types of tokens can be used for reserving access to things that cannot or are unsustainable to be massively produced.
    Most tokens are however used for people to see what's your level of contribution, and for the system to be able to decide if you're the right person for a specific task based on your past
    experiences, and fields of expertise tokens.
    The problem with your idea, although it does have merit is that it relies on input to be measured. I understand that this is only during transition but Jacque quite rightly says that the more we hold on to our ideas of money/tokens/keeping score/scarcity the harder it is to change them later on. They are the root of attachment and greed - the two things that make our current world the way it is.

    I too understand that outside of complete collapse of the monetary and social systems we currently live under there must be a transition period otherwise millions will suffer needlessly. I do believe however that within transition communities all ideas of keeping score/exchange/ownership should be abandoned. All money (yes I said the M word) should be pooled and used for interactions with the undeveloped world (ie those who are still hanging on to monetary based living). All interactions within the new communities should be without any form of measure since that is the ideal we are striving towards. Yes there may be scarcity and a wait for the use of something in the transition period but I would expect pioneers of a new social order to be mature enough to put aside their grasping and be willing to wait for a turn, or a share if it were for the common good. I would also expect members to be mature enough to contribute to their own capacity for the common good without the need for tokens or credits or merit or any other form of score keeping.

    I believe that for the ideals of resource based living to be fully accepted throughout the world, the small communities that start and thrive out of the ideals need to be inspiring. That means putting aside ideas of tokens or accounting of any kind within the community. It also means that the communities strive together to be technologically and socially advanced. Personal preferences for food should not be insisted upon for all members (Veganism or any other type of restrictive food practice for example). The biggest turn off for outsiders looking in would be for the place to look and feel like a hippy commune. I think people need to see it as an advanced society, not a grass roots, scratching in the dirt and singing Kumbaya community. Outsiders need to see it as something they want too and are willing to work towards.

    The other problem I see in transition is security. When outsiders see what the community has and want it for themselves, some ... hopefully many will ask how they can participate and take the necessary steps to do so. Others unfortunately will just want to take what the community has for themselves regardless of the hardship it causes the members. Those in power who are making the most money from the current system will also look for ways to damage the community or stop it in its tracks.

    Just some thoughts that might help with this issue
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