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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    because whoever controls Land also controls us....
    I must agree with that statement. same goes for money, water, information etc.... anything to get differential advantage.
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    I tend to agree that Adams seems to be stuck in a monetary system as far as his ideas go. However, he is correct that land is the primary key. To build a resourced based society (be it a single city or a whole world) one must have access to land and the resources that are attached to it. So one off the first steps in a long road is to acquire land on which to build a new society.

    Now, there are problems with this, some of which have been addressed in some comments already. The biggest problem I can see is that even when we purchase land outright and donate it to the community ... we do not completely own it, the government of the country does. They control what individuals can do on and with the land, they control the mineral rights beneath our feet and they control what goes on the land that does not and will never belong to us (power lines for example). I don't know what the laws are like in other countries but I know if I were to purchase a piece of land large enough to build a resource based economy along the lines of Jacque's ideas, one that might house 50, 000 people for example, I would not get planning permission to even dig one sod of soil.

    If I were to somehow bribe enough people to get my planning permission and actually build my city ... then I would face the problem of security. Those who have vested interests and don't want the project to work, those who fear change too much to allow it to work, those who want what the city has but don't want to contribute to it in any way. Those who just want to destroy it out of hate.

    I am and have been a big proponent of Basic Income Guarantee for a long while and I agree that it could be a partial solution to our current problems. It could also be a way to allow technology to advance and infiltrate our current systems faster and more fully. But I fear that Jacque is right when he says that nothing short of total economic collapse will facilitate the introduction of a new system before humanity destroys the earth. There are too many people who have vested interests (money, business, political power, religion, fear, hate) for it to be introduced in a gentle manner at this point in time, much as that would be my preference.

    A lot more work needs to be done on education ... reasoned, logical education that will appeal to a broad range of people. We need to be alert to the disinformation that will follow too by those who want to keep the status quo. By educating more people, we have a larger support base for our ideas.

    By that I don't mean we should all just sit online and talk to each other. I mean we should be looking for ways to talk to people face to face. We should be looking for ways to withdraw our support for the current economic model (not buying the newest mobile phone but making the one we have last longer, not buying more than we need of anything, agreeing with family and friends to skip gift giving unless it is home made, supporting local producers rather than multinationals ... etc). We should be looking for practical ways we can move towards collective funding of a trial village or community, even if it is in a place where we cannot participate ourselves. We should be willing to talk to anyone and everyone about what we are doing and why we are doing it and inviting them to join us, even if it is simple baby steps like being more conscious of how much we waste. We should be willing to give what we can in our lifetimes for no consideration, knowing that we are leaving a better world for future generations. That is altruistic I know but think of it this way. Many of us currently give regularly to developing world projects in order to alleviate some of the suffering there. In doing so we also support large hierarchies of charity organisations which in turn support the current money based system either knowingly or not. If we were all to put all our energies and money instead into a collective figurative tin and ask that it be used to build a resource based community in a developing nation we would be helping the least fortunate as well as furthering our own goals. Like most of you I want to see such cities in my own country, but I can see that a project in a nation that has many starving people might be a better and more humane beginning. The biggest problem would be security in such a scenario.
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    We're all 'stuck in a monetary system' my friends....Is there a single living person who is not?

    The questions remain; How bad do we want to remove the chains? What are 'we' willing to do to break free?

    IF LAND is KEY, and I certainly believe it is the MAIN component, the ROOT if you will....then what are we gonna do about 'returning' LAND (particularly the WEALTH we allow to be stolen from us all) to the people????

    Am I to assume that because Adam's solutions aren't perfect that we all should just 'settle' for keeping the status quo alive and kicking a little while longer? ...until some form of 'savior' in the shape of a human, a robot or alien arrives to dig us out of the Hole WE created.....Jeeesh

    Really????
    Last edited by droneBEE; 12-28-2016 at 06:13 AM.

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    The Earth;

    Nobody made it, Everybody needs it......a few people 'own' it......WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    I must agree with that statement. same goes for money, water, information etc.... anything to get differential advantage.

    Those who control LAND, control LIFE, control us, control everything.....

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