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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Have you heard of Alan Watts? Amazing philosopher and 100s of video on youtube.
    I sure did. i linked too his video once here.

    The guy was amazing, probably deserve his own thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Wow, you HAVE been meditating Have you heard of Alan Watts? Amazing philosopher and 100s of video on youtube.
    ...been a fan since the 60's.... There's never been a better interpreter of Eastern thought by a Westerner IMHO.....and its always nice to see that folks are still enjoying his take on so-called Human nature....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    I sure did. i linked too his video once here.

    The guy was amazing, probably deserve his own thread.
    Well crap, the video you posted is gone I could enjoy an Alan Watts thread.

    There was a young man who said though
    It seems that I know that I know,
    But what I'd like to see is the I (eye?) that knows (sees?) me
    When I know that I know that I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    ...been a fan since the 60's.... There's never been a better interpreter of Eastern thought by a Westerner IMHO.....and its always nice to see that folks are still enjoying his take on so-called Human nature....
    What's really neat is that you'd think he's talking today if you didn't know it was recorded in the 60s. The song remains the same.

    "So don't differentiate yourself and stand off and say 'I am a living organism in a world made of a lot of dead junk, rocks and stuff.' It all goes together. Those rocks are just as much you as your fingernails. You need rocks. What are you going to stand on?

    What I think an awakening really involves is a re-examination of our common sense. We've got all sorts of ideas built into us which seem unquestioned, obvious. And our speech reflects them; its commonest phrases. 'Face the facts.' As if they were outside you. As if life were something they simply encountered as a foreigner. 'Face the facts.' Our common sense has been rigged, you see? So that we feel strangers and aliens in this world, and this is terribly plausible, simply because this is what we are used to. That's the only reason. But when you really start questioning this, say 'Is that the way I have to assume life is? I know everybody does, but does that make it true?' It doesn't necessarily. It ain't necessarily so. So then as you question this basic assumption that underlies our culture, you find you get a new kind of common sense. It becomes absolutely obvious to you that you are continuous with the universe."
    https://genius.com/Alan-watts-the-na...ness-annotated

    Is it really true? Did we come into this world or did we come out of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    So, maybe the first step in battling that behavior is to first label conformity "uncool" and laugh at it. That way, in trying to conform to cool behavior, they stop trying to conform altogether. I suppose if this thread has a point, that would be it because those videos just happened to fall in my lap as I read the news that day and I thought, "Have we gone nowhere in millions of years of evolution from insects to humans???" It's a shame that I'm the only one who thinks it's funny, but that also seems to prove my point.
    The older I get, the more proud I am of being a nonconformist. But it does come with its issues like sometimes people thinking you are "weird" or even "crazy". But when I was younger I used to think it was more about me but now I know its really more about them & their Conformist reality. But the funny thing is that most people who think like this are completely blinded by their ways and think what they're doing is strictly from their own decision making processes without any major influence from their outside world. But the fact is almost everything we do has some major influence imparted in it from our surroundings. It's just those who recognize this and decide not to follow these baseless trends and go their own way that are the ones who are in truth trying to live their own Lives.
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    > the video you posted is gone

    Found another version of it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryBUYB3F0NU
    > Alan Watts - Money, Guilt and The Machine

    For future reference if anyone posts a URL to something like say a YouTube video, it is most helpful to include a line underneath repeating the title of said video for when in the future the link doesn't work and you need to google it to find it elsewhere !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    The older I get, the more proud I am of being a nonconformist. But it does come with its issues like sometimes people thinking you are "weird" or even "crazy". But when I was younger I used to think it was more about me but now I know its really more about them & their Conformist reality. But the funny thing is that most people who think like this are completely blinded by their ways and think what they're doing is strictly from their own decision making processes without any major influence from their outside world. But the fact is almost everything we do has some major influence imparted in it from our surroundings. It's just those who recognize this and decide not to follow these baseless trends and go their own way that are the ones who are in truth trying to live their own Lives.
    I wouldn't think you're weird because you're different, but weird only if you're the same... which is kinda weird lol. People think I'm weird because I holler about my trees, "I don't care if you break your arm because you will heal, but don't hit my trees!!!" Although I may be the only one who cares about a tree, I realize it's only because I'm the only one who actually owns trees. If someone else becomes a property owner and likes having a tree, then they will become protective too and realize that it can take a lifetime to replace a tree. So, it's not really weird to love a tree, but it's just uncommon.

    It may be true that we can't escape the influence of society completely, but we can at least try and stay focused on the path because the alternative is to give up due to the elusiveness of perfection. That reminds me of the Alan Watts pursuit of Zen:

    Try not to desire.
    But in trying not to desire I find I'm desiring not to desire.
    Well, then try not to desire too much to stop desiring.

    He says the master always brings the student back to center. So I guess that's it... just do the best you can. For if you practice not desiring, then eventually you will no longer desire and therefore will have no desire to stop desiring

    You can't do these things overnight. It has to be cultivated... like a tree! It can't be made, but has to be grown. Little by little you take steps in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > the video you posted is gone

    Found another version of it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryBUYB3F0NU
    > Alan Watts - Money, Guilt and The Machine

    For future reference if anyone posts a URL to something like say a YouTube video, it is most helpful to include a line underneath repeating the title of said video for when in the future the link doesn't work and you need to google it to find it elsewhere !
    Thanks and I'll try to remember that. Honestly, in addition to the title I'd like to give a little summary. So for example instead of saying "here's a video, check it out", say "Here's a video where he makes these claims ____ and ____". I find if I listen to a video and then take notes on it, it sticks better. The problem is lack of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    The older I get, the more proud I am of being a nonconformist. But it does come with its issues like sometimes people thinking you are "weird" or even "crazy". But when I was younger I used to think it was more about me but now I know its really more about them & their Conformist reality. But the funny thing is that most people who think like this are completely blinded by their ways and think what they're doing is strictly from their own decision making processes without any major influence from their outside world. But the fact is almost everything we do has some major influence imparted in it from our surroundings. It's just those who recognize this and decide not to follow these baseless trends and go their own way that are the ones who are in truth trying to live their own Lives.
    "PRIDE" ...a Human emotion, is still one of the deadliest sins, no?....and is still used to promote our own self obsessed worthiness......Or is it worthlessness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    "PRIDE" ...a Human emotion, is still one of the deadliest sins, no?....and is still used to promote our own self obsessed worthiness......Or is it worthlessness?
    Yes too much Pride is no good but a little pride in something doesn't hurt. It's hard to always control ones emotions. Takes a lot of practice but I don't think we can ever become masters at it. Just try to do better than the average person out there and I think you'll be doing a great service to Society and yourself.
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