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    You're kidding, right?

    Those vids prove nothing (much 'could' be considered as preaching to the choir) but the debaters ability to articulate a 'specific' point of view that will be debated as long as we all continue to place 'individuality' above community and commonality.....AKA; 'feel good' propaganda that does more harm than good IMO

    I know how much you enjoy reading, but this may present an alternative viewpoint not imagined before.....(there are many such alternatives if one is looking for them)

    https://www.amazon.com/Age-Anger-His.../dp/0374274789
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Really? Who else has?
    Didn't somebody here pointed out something about you mentioning racists not being able to see their own racism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Nope. Probability is about the expectation of a future event; statistics is about data collected on events that happened in the past. Sometimes statistics are used to determine probability, and sometimes a probability can just be mathematically modeled such as with dice to determine the odds of getting snake eyes on the next roll. Saying statistics and probability are about the same is like saying water and fire are about the same, and sometimes you can put out a fire with water, but there are other ways of putting out a fire.
    I was talking more broadly in that both probability and statistics constitute a broader framework which is called math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I do understand that & I think I understand that very well.
    No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't have made a statement that didn't make any sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post

    I never claimed that only racists are susceptible to it.
    And I didn't say that you did make such a claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I don't know what this is supposed to be; it looks to me like you're talking about things I didn't talk about, as though I did & answering some unidentified question that I never asked. I never mentioned anything about "White countries" & I don't even know what that is, and I don't know what those certain groups you're talking about are. I'm responding to you saying let's put race aside (which I always do, including at the collective level) and examine how hierarchies will always be present.
    Neil, are you able to conceptualize that I'm not just talking to you but also "the whole world?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    We could probably go on with a long debate with regard to what it means to treat other people in raising questions like "Do you treat a child the same you would an adult?"
    Just treat all people with Respect & Dignity by giving them Equal opportunities to better themselves. And whatever levels of education, knowledge, skills, talent, brawn etc. they reach, good for them. We don't look up to them or down on them. We just appreciate who they are as individuals and treat them the way they treat us.

    At the end of the day, Everyone is just Human with similar flaws, imperfections & shortcomings. That's what we Naturally are. What we become & identify with is just something designed from our own Cultures/Values. Meritocracy & Social Class are part of this ethos. It only means what the Societies teach it to mean.

    So a Lawyer is given more status than a Garbage Collector and gets treated differently to where he becomes more "valuable" as a Human. And when you start to lose your Humanity for others in this way and begin to put everyone in different categories of 'worth', that's when it becomes easier to look down on others and take advantage of them, e.g. Capitalism.

    And if you think that this is okay. All you're doing is setting up the same rules & patterns that will eventually reach you and your Family to be treated Unfairly & Unjustly. Why do this to yourself and to the people you care about? An Egalitarian ethos will just implant Humanistic Values into society to treat Everyone with the same fundamental worth as Humans equal in our Humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Didn't somebody here pointed out something about you mentioning racists not being able to see their own racism?


    Yeah, I think that might have been me ....speaking in reference to a racists comment made by serensam, perhaps? ....the 'point' being made at the time was; Racists are the last to recognize their own racism....I believe Nothing has changed since I said that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Neil, are you able to conceptualize that I'm not just talking to you but also "the whole world?"
    Do ya think they're all listening? We're the only one's here..... just Neil, you, me and a relative handful of others....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Just treat all people with Respect & Dignity by giving them Equal opportunities to better themselves. And whatever levels of education, knowledge, skills, talent, brawn etc. they reach, good for them. We don't look up to them or down on them. We just appreciate who they are as individuals and treat them the way they treat us.

    At the end of the day, Everyone is just Human with similar flaws, imperfections & shortcomings. That's what we Naturally are. What we become & identify with is just something designed from our own Cultures/Values. Meritocracy & Social Class are part of this ethos. It only means what the Societies teach it to mean.

    So a Lawyer is given more status than a Garbage Collector and gets treated differently to where he becomes more "valuable" as a Human. And when you start to lose your Humanity for others in this way and begin to put everyone in different categories of 'worth', that's when it becomes easier to look down on others and take advantage of them, e.g. Capitalism.

    And if you think that this is okay. All you're doing is setting up the same rules & patterns that will eventually reach you and your Family to be treated Unfairly & Unjustly. Why do this to yourself and to the people you care about? An Egalitarian ethos will just implant Humanistic Values into society to treat Everyone with the same fundamental worth as Humans equal in our Humanity.
    But don't you think there's a reason why children aren't allowed to vote?
    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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