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    The funny thing is I know what those comments are saying Without actually reading them.

    Just a bunch of people spreading their bigotry about things. What's new. All Infotainment we're learning nothing here. Not in how to reduce Bigotry nor in how to get along.

    Is Division/Tribalism highly Profitable ?
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    Check the demographics Zerohedge.com Traffic, Demographics and Competitors - Alexa

    Older white guys in the US.

    Molyneux's thoughts about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5x42MArLPQ

    I don't know what to think. Do you think if you had an improper raising that you could have done something like that? (I'm assuming you can't do something like that now )

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    You know what. I'm pretty sure that when I was a Teen or in my 20's, I could have found myself in some similar situation where you might feel or know that you are doing something wrong but still participate because you don't want to feel like an 'outsider'. Classic Herd Mentality. We all remember times when you knew you should have said something but didn't for fear of being shunned. And going along with the Group we did and all it takes is for someone to initiate something that quickly spirals into unintended consequences and your Life is changed forever.

    I guess this is all part of our Failed Social System where kids are not being raise to Think for themselves. A lot of Teachers, Parents, Community Leaders etc. try and convey the message to the kids about not being followers but leaders and then their own actions and everyone else's pretty much does the contrary. But can you blame them too much? I mean just look at our Communities today. Following the leader is basically Institutionalized. How can we have a World of Free-Thinkers when Controlling the masses and keeping them in tight order is why we can have Leaders in the first place who are then rewarded with lots of Power & Wealth. A Perfect fit for Capitalism, No?

    It's like the Free-Will question to me in that they believe that they are their own person leading their own way in this World. But just like I don't see us having Free-will, I don't see us acting as Individuals most of the time but Following the Herd. We are acingt unconsciously while our brain is telling us that we're acting as individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Check the demographics Zerohedge.com Traffic, Demographics and Competitors - Alexa

    Older white guys in the US.

    Molyneux's thoughts about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5x42MArLPQ

    I don't know what to think. Do you think if you had an improper raising that you could have done something like that? (I'm assuming you can't do something like that now )
    What's an improper raising? Who decides?

    Please do us all a favor; don't bring Molyneux around here...(I thought you were beginning to understand that he and any other hate based message disgusts most of those here )

    Really, if folks wanted to see his crap, they'd go find it themselves....

    Bringing it here, simply 'lessens' this place IMHO.....Don't need or want it.....Keep it to yourself...if that's what 'you' enjoy.....PLEASE
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    What's an improper raising? Who decides?
    Anyone who sees environment as the cause of bad behavior is the one who decides what a bad environment is.

    Please do us all a favor; don't bring Molyneux around here...(I thought you were beginning to understand that he and any other hate based message disgusts most of those here )

    Really, if folks wanted to see his crap, they'd go find it themselves....

    Bringing it here, simply 'lessens' this place IMHO.....Don't need or want it.....Keep it to yourself...if that's what 'you' enjoy.....PLEASE
    What you're saying is molyneux is evil and nothing good can come from the man, so please don't bring him around here. He is completely without value, nay, he is worse.

    You don't see that as similar behavior as what those kids did to the man? Why not judge an argument on its individual merits rather than proclaiming an entire person void of value on the basis of one or two positions he may have? (or positions he's had in the past that he no longer holds.)

    Dad was listening to some guy carrying on and on about how the people he doesn't like are inherently stupid, as in, "this is just what liberals do", "they are this dumb", etc and I asked, "Who is that guy?" Dad said, "It's Micheal Savage. I can turn it off if you want." I said, "No, I'll listen as an example of crowd manipulation." Dad looked at me funny. So I went on... well he categorizes people by generalizing and then proclaims them to be evil in order to appeal to a following. It's the same tactic the military uses to dehumanize the enemy so the soldiers will shoot them without remorse.

    If you're really going to embrace egalitarianism and say everyone has value, then molyneux has value. If we're all connected, then it means you're connected to molyneux. You can't say everyone is equal and then pick n choose who is more equal than others or you've become the very thing you're fighting.

    Molyneux is intelligent, educated, and thought-provoking. If you disagree with one aspect of his reasoning, then let's discuss that aspect, but don't demonize the man for being at a particular place in his journey for truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    You know what. I'm pretty sure that when I was a Teen or in my 20's, I could have found myself in some similar situation where you might feel or know that you are doing something wrong but still participate because you don't want to feel like an 'outsider'. Classic Herd Mentality. We all remember times when you knew you should have said something but didn't for fear of being shunned. And going along with the Group we did and all it takes is for someone to initiate something that quickly spirals into unintended consequences and your Life is changed forever.

    I guess this is all part of our Failed Social System where kids are not being raise to Think for themselves. A lot of Teachers, Parents, Community Leaders etc. try and convey the message to the kids about not being followers but leaders and then their own actions and everyone else's pretty much does the contrary. But can you blame them too much? I mean just look at our Communities today. Following the leader is basically Institutionalized. How can we have a World of Free-Thinkers when Controlling the masses and keeping them in tight order is why we can have Leaders in the first place who are then rewarded with lots of Power & Wealth. A Perfect fit for Capitalism, No?

    It's like the Free-Will question to me in that they believe that they are their own person leading their own way in this World. But just like I don't see us having Free-will, I don't see us acting as Individuals most of the time but Following the Herd. We are acingt unconsciously while our brain is telling us that we're acting as individuals.
    I understand what you're saying. Peer pressure is powerful. Academic and athletic achievement didn't win me the friends I had hoped, so I picked up a beer and suddenly had more friends than I knew what to do with.

    Reminds me of a rocking tune:

    Sister tells her boyfriend be back in awhile
    boyfriend wants a beer, the store is just a mile.
    Leaves the motor runnin' he'll only be a minute,
    his car drives away with teenagers in it.
    Driver tells his buddies, got one life to live
    they scream into the night, lets get it over with.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlAa0IGCXCw

    This is really similar to the pitbull controversy. Are they inherently viscous or is it about raising?

    A friend of mine got tired of his family stealing his stuff, so he decided to get a pitbull. I'm like "Oh geez,,, that dog will cost you more than what it saves you." He has to register it as a pitbull (which he plans to lie about). Insurance companies are required to be informed (but he isn't going to tell them). If that dog were to bite a law officer, utility worker, trash collector, or anyone else who happens to stray on his property, he can kiss his property goodbye. Plus all the vaccinations and food it requires. Dumb, dumb, dumb. All to protect a pack of chicken wings a family member may pilfer because he's too lazy to lock his door.

    He thinks he can train the dog to not bite people that he likes but tear to shreds anyone else. He says it's all about how they are raised.

    34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015. Despite being regulated in over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 82% of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.

    Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015.

    Annual data from 2015 shows that 41% (14) of the fatality victims were children ages 9-years and younger, and 59% (20) were adults, ages 22-years and older. Of the total adults killed by canines in 2015, 65% (13) were ages 60-years and older.
    2015 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org

    At the bottom of the page are pics of people who have been killed by pitbulls and a story.

    So is it nature or nurture?

    Why are labs, german shepherds, dobermans, chows, akitas, etc not on the list? Why are 6% of the dogs causing 80% of the damage?

    I've known people who have had pitbulls that seem to be nothing more than rough tough cream puffs and that seems to argue that nurture is the problem. Well, that means everyone who has any breed but pitbull is raising the dog properly and the only owners with problems are the pitbull owners. How can that be? It's not true. People routinely mistreat dogs that are not pitbulls, yet no injuries result.

    There is something inherent to the pitbull that makes it vicious. That's why my friend wanted one to protect his house. He talks out both sides of his mouth... on one hand "it's how you raise them" and on the other "I want one because they are bada$$."

    In truth he should say, "Yeah, they have a genetic propensity for violence and I intend to magnify that through training." Why pussyfoot around with your sentiments?

    Why do SO many people, in spite on all the stats, maintain that nurture is the problem with those dogs? Why not admit they are mean dogs, inherently? Is it because it's a slippery slope... that if dogs can be inherently mean, then maybe some people are too? Is it because we don't want to be personally judged on a roll of the dice (our genes) and would rather blame something that seems a bit more under our control (nurture)? If so, that's a confirmation bias inherently built into all of us and would explain the popular rejection of stats. No one would ever want to admit there are things out of our control that make us inherently evil. Stats, reason and evidence be damned. First start with a conclusion and only recognize evidence that supports it. That's the definition of confirmation bias.

    The only among us qualified to practice science are the ones with no opinion on the matter. As soon as we "want" one outcome or another, we're no longer objective.

    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Anyone who sees environment as the cause of bad behavior is the one who decides what a bad environment is.



    What you're saying is molyneux is evil and nothing good can come from the man, so please don't bring him around here. He is completely without value, nay, he is worse.

    You don't see that as similar behavior as what those kids did to the man? Why not judge an argument on its individual merits rather than proclaiming an entire person void of value on the basis of one or two positions he may have? (or positions he's had in the past that he no longer holds.)

    Dad was listening to some guy carrying on and on about how the people he doesn't like are inherently stupid, as in, "this is just what liberals do", "they are this dumb", etc and I asked, "Who is that guy?" Dad said, "It's Micheal Savage. I can turn it off if you want." I said, "No, I'll listen as an example of crowd manipulation." Dad looked at me funny. So I went on... well he categorizes people by generalizing and then proclaims them to be evil in order to appeal to a following. It's the same tactic the military uses to dehumanize the enemy so the soldiers will shoot them without remorse.

    If you're really going to embrace egalitarianism and say everyone has value, then molyneux has value. If we're all connected, then it means you're connected to molyneux. You can't say everyone is equal and then pick n choose who is more equal than others or you've become the very thing you're fighting.

    Molyneux is intelligent, educated, and thought-provoking. If you disagree with one aspect of his reasoning, then let's discuss that aspect, but don't demonize the man for being at a particular place in his journey for truth.
    Don't put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself,,,,

    ""Molyneux is an arsonist for racists...mostly lonely white Men....his main fan base"".....

    The man is a self obsessed A hole..and a 'Lier for profit'.;;;;;; He doesn't know Truth...

    Telling the Truth? That's not his business (thought everyone knew that).....stirring people up is his JOB......His BIZNISS

    If he's truly the kind of person YOU admire....what on earth are you doing here?

    He's not nearly as smart as YOU think he is (based on the crap that I've seen/heard/PUKED over)

    He makes you 'less'...my friend....absorbing his mindset won't HELP you or anyone else on the planet, besides Molyneux....

    Let's be honest here; The majority of what Molyeneux has to say is said for the sole purpose of being offensive and divisive, which appeals to some folks these days, and in my mind is without merit or purpose and is clearly WRONG for 'this place' ...seeing as we're trying to bring folks together, while the Hate Monger you seem to adore is doing the opposite......Can't you see that?

    I Don't want to SEE his Sh1T......if i did I'd go there looking for it.....so I'm asking (One more time) that you PLEASE stop posting it....Do you...Can you understand? (Last chance you'll be getting from me, DUDE....the ignore button is waiting))

    His stuff scares potential TZM members away.....

    None of what Molyneux has to say has anything to do with what anyone else is looking for in TZM......Do you NOT get that?

    'I know' its wrong to assume...but I'll bet you've never even opened the Book, I'll bet you don't know or care what's inside of it.....

    Discussing TZM isn't 'your' business either...

    What are YOU really doing here?


    .....Oh and BTW; The American Bull Terrier (Pit Bull) is a wonderful dog if its 'raised' with the 'right' family.....they've largely been given a bad rap due to 'in-breeding' and 'stupid' owners....along with people spreading the same nonsense as SophicDrippins above, which leaves out the ABUSE these animals suffer by HUMANS.....And which as usual (SD's forte), generalizes everything and everyone and puts it all in its proper place, nice and neat for him.....//////
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    This is my first and possibly only post but I felt compelled to speak out in support of SophicDrippins and Stefan Molyneux. I have followed the TZM from when it existed with the Venus Project, watched the films, read TZM defined, followed the lectures and read the forum when time permits. I agree with around 90% of what the movement espouses. I also subscribe to Molyneux's Freedomainradio and listen most days to his show. I also agree with a lot of what he says and value his dedication to objectivity, truth and reasoning. He uses the scientific method whenever possible and endeavours to back up any claim with statistical evidence. He will revisit issues if new facts have arisen and adjust or negate his prior claims and address these issues in the light of newer evidence. He will openly state when he has been wrong or mistaken. He, like everyone else, has a bias, however his lectures offer a level of research and information invaluable to people who are hungry for knowledge and perspective, whether you agree with him or not. You never learn anything in an echo chamber of confirmation bias. In my opinion the content of this forum took on a much more interesting dynamic since SophicDrippins started posting and referencing some invaluable material, offering great scope for debates. We need more of this, not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gene View Post
    This is my first and possibly only post but I felt compelled to speak out in support of SophicDrippins and Stefan Molyneux. I have followed the TZM from when it existed with the Venus Project, watched the films, read TZM defined, followed the lectures and read the forum when time permits. I agree with around 90% of what the movement espouses. I also subscribe to Molyneux's Freedomainradio and listen most days to his show. I also agree with a lot of what he says and value his dedication to objectivity, truth and reasoning. He uses the scientific method whenever possible and endeavours to back up any claim with statistical evidence. He will revisit issues if new facts have arisen and adjust or negate his prior claims and address these issues in the light of newer evidence. He will openly state when he has been wrong or mistaken. He, like everyone else, has a bias, however his lectures offer a level of research and information invaluable to people who are hungry for knowledge and perspective, whether you agree with him or not. You never learn anything in an echo chamber of confirmation bias. In my opinion the content of this forum took on a much more interesting dynamic since SophicDrippins started posting and referencing some invaluable material, offering great scope for debates. We need more of this, not less.

    Have you seen the debate between PJ and SM?

    Frankly, I don't understand how anyone could agree with 90% of TZM and also be a defender of SM....it boggles my mind that so many cannot see through his smoke and mirrors...and his real purpose.....Keep the Fire Burning!!!!!

    As stated in this Forum's Rules.....its purpose was designed for folks embracing and advocating for the proposals detailed in TZM Defined.

    Since your first post is one that has selected to defend another who blatantly insists on posting purposely offensive junk (fake and false news, inflammatory, misleading, misguided...and greatly misunderstood material, assumptions and generalizations that ignore human complexities), and having absolutely nothing to do with- "or offer anything too" -this movement......well, what can I say that hasn't already been said, here and in the numerous posts sent to your buddy

    TBH; I've not witnessed much TZM or RBE support from SD at all, although admittedly, anyone could be excused for being blinded by the junk he enjoys posting....posting simply to get things 'stirred up'....following the lead of the messiah known as Stephen Molyneux......................no doubt....




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