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    Why Dystopia?

    I thought about this the other day and was wondering if this is true. I started to get into Movies again and the genre I really like are the Scifi Thrillers dealing with the Future, Space, Extraterrestrials, A.I. and the like but they almost always seem to be around a Dystopian setting. Why Dystopia? Why do they seem to be always about this? It does lend for an entertaining story but can a Utopian one be also just as good? There seems to be plenty of Books that deal with Utopian settings which is great but are there movies out there that lean towards a Utopian like background?

    I'm not one for Conspiracies but could there be an overall deeper reason behind this? I enjoy these movies because to me they are strictly Entertainment but the way people now days easily believe in things, it could kind of be used like another Propaganda tool that shapes how people view the Future, Technology, Science in a Negative/Distrustful way. I would have no problem if Everyone would just enjoy these movies purely for their Entertainment value but we don't live in that type of World sadly. That is why it would be Awesome to have more Utopian type movies that can show a different picture of the World in a Positive light and Future. But now I'm wondering if this is by design because a Utopian movie might give people too many ideas and get them asking those most Important questions about Life.

    I don't know. I might be wrong and there might be plenty of Utopian type movies out there that are just not as interesting or maybe not promoted enough to be that known by the masses. But it seems like all the New movies that keep coming out are ones based on a Dystopian Nightmare which is entertaining but I would Love to be able to find just as easily Cool Utopian Movies to enjoy and to also spread a Different message to the World of what our Future can look like if we started to get behind and encourage this type of idea so we can advance it into Real Life.
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    I think you may be on to something Ernest.

    Evidence suggests that 'Fear and fretting' likely has some 'core' psychological effects, making it easier to manipulate our herd instincts, which are then harnessed and utilized by 'the Market' to create more consumption and profit....

    I remember being inspired by the "Celestine Prophesy Series" of books, and the authors wonderfully utopian perspective for a future we could all be proud of.

    They 'tried' to make a movie to it, and it was OK....but was strictly low budget, and was obviously held back from the public....

    Now days most folks I talk about it to, never heard of it.....but it was the most recent SY FI Series I've read that had a positive outcome. Thanks Man....I had forgotten all about those stories....




    Star Trek came close pretty often, no? Well, they tried....
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    I think it's because writers are taught, to entertain there must be conflict and Utopias tend to be low on conflict.

    And if you think about it, it's a strange species that is entertained by conflict.

    I agree with Peter Joseph when he says we live in a sick society. We have been warped for so long it manifests in ways we can't even see anymore, unless we really take a deep look at ourselves.
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    i think you are correct, considering Hollywood has been a propaganda machine for many years, shaping values & public opinion.

    Their main message about the future is that any change is dangerous. people in position of power would do anything to keep things as they are, and their main tool to achieve that is fear.

    the 'propaganda industrial complex' include but not limited to - Hollywood, universities, ALL TV programs including comedy and sports, most books, video games.... using ideological weapons to maintain the status quo.
    unfortunately, since 2005 or so they completely infiltrated the internet too, so the only way to avoid propaganda now is to detect it and ignore it.
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    I'm not into that much scifi; what are a couple of your best examples of scifi utopia books?

    How do you define dystopian? Is Star Wars dystopian, by your definition?

    Normally scifi movies (or all genres, for that matter) are the way they are because - as you say - they're entertaining; and, it's to make money (since it's entertaining and people are willing to pay for that kind of entertainment).

    Is it just scifi, though? I can see it applying to any genre. But, at the same time, entertainment tends to be something like a comedy (harmony->disharmony->harmony) or tragedy (harmony->disharmony). I'm not exactly sure it's easy to be entertaining with a movie about - as you put it - a utopia; maybe it's just boring to most people; I personally don't find most horror movies interesting, but their popularity tells me people enjoy being frightened (and if you think of a guy taking a girl to see such a movie you can use your imagination as to why the idea's appealing).

    I personally don't have a problem with so-called "conspiracies" about what gets shoved in our faces as entertainment. To me it seems like many of these TV series shows involve law enforcement (even shows like Cops) are basically designed to condition the public into believing things about their rights (that they don't have them) or what government can get away with, that actually aren't true. Because of that, I refuse to watch those kinds of TV shows & that's just a example that's more noticeable to me.

    What do you think of McCarthyism? I think maybe he might have gone about doing things the wrong way or might have sort of been barking up the wrong tree, but at the same time I think he may have been on to something. In other words, maybe the problem wasn't actually that Hollywood actors were crypto-communists (or whatever the exact complaint was); maybe he saw that something was seriously wrong with the picture he was seeing and may have been misled somehow?
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    It's indeed in every genre. TV is just filled with violence in every form. Just browse movie and series list. Drugs, prison, murder, military, cops, theft, nudity and sex are pretty common. Then there is the more specialized forms of violence like fighting robots, samurai warriors, ninja's, pirates, monsters, space ships and so on. I think it's more a reflection of current society and just easier because it sells to men and boys. I find it huge turn-off to see all that fighting.

    A scifi version of TV without explicit violence would often just become a high tech version of a high school drama in the hands of Hollywood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaseaP View Post
    It's indeed in every genre. TV is just filled with violence in every form. Just browse movie and series list. Drugs, prison, murder, military, cops, theft, nudity and sex are pretty common. Then there is the more specialized forms of violence like fighting robots, samurai warriors, ninja's, pirates, monsters, space ships and so on. I think it's more a reflection of current society and just easier because it sells to men and boys. I find it huge turn-off to see all that fighting.

    A scifi version of TV without explicit violence would often just become a high tech version of a high school drama in the hands of Hollywood.
    Samurai and ninja warrior robots on pirate space ships? That sounds cool! Is there a way we can use this to spread TZM awareness?


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    I believe a widely known book might shed some light on to why we can't achieve such a thing as you have mentioned in the first post, this book is called "The Gods of Eden: The chilling truth about extraterrestrial infiltration and the conspiracy to keep humankind in chains" - by William Bramley.
    The Title alone is self explanatory, book also contain a huge amount of well known sources with about 450 pages of fantastic literature about human history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Samurai and ninja warrior robots on pirate space ships? That sounds cool! Is there a way we can use this to spread TZM awareness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I'm not into that much scifi; what are a couple of your best examples of scifi utopia books?

    How do you define dystopian? Is Star Wars dystopian, by your definition?

    Normally scifi movies (or all genres, for that matter) are the way they are because - as you say - they're entertaining; and, it's to make money (since it's entertaining and people are willing to pay for that kind of entertainment).

    Is it just scifi, though? I can see it applying to any genre. But, at the same time, entertainment tends to be something like a comedy (harmony->disharmony->harmony) or tragedy (harmony->disharmony). I'm not exactly sure it's easy to be entertaining with a movie about - as you put it - a utopia; maybe it's just boring to most people; I personally don't find most horror movies interesting, but their popularity tells me people enjoy being frightened (and if you think of a guy taking a girl to see such a movie you can use your imagination as to why the idea's appealing).

    I personally don't have a problem with so-called "conspiracies" about what gets shoved in our faces as entertainment. To me it seems like many of these TV series shows involve law enforcement (even shows like Cops) are basically designed to condition the public into believing things about their rights (that they don't have them) or what government can get away with, that actually aren't true. Because of that, I refuse to watch those kinds of TV shows & that's just a example that's more noticeable to me.

    What do you think of McCarthyism? I think maybe he might have gone about doing things the wrong way or might have sort of been barking up the wrong tree, but at the same time I think he may have been on to something. In other words, maybe the problem wasn't actually that Hollywood actors were crypto-communists (or whatever the exact complaint was); maybe he saw that something was seriously wrong with the picture he was seeing and may have been misled somehow?


    Ah Neil...ya had me going until you mentioned that old scoundrel McCarthy......To which; I can only agree that he saw and 'believed' that 'something' was seriously wrong, and that he was indeed 'misled'....boy was he ever ......but only to point out that he was rightly and justly exposed long ago as a fearful little man, incapable of possessing vision, incapable of self critiquing or admitting to his errors of judgement and was wrongly placed in a position of great power. A very BAD combination.

    This confused A-hole McCarthy destroyed several lives using/abusing the power 'the people' had provided him.....Shame, shame....

    There's really no use mentioning McCarthyism, because it never really existed as a 'thing'.....unless of course, we're discussing modern day "Libertarianism" which is a cannibalized version of the JBS (John Birch Society) of the 50's, 60's.....(Joe's main source of info and support) ......or perhaps the similarities exhibited by a current Presidential contender, Ted Cruz.
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