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    Private property?

    In the future world where no one is left behind and everyone has a higher quality of life according to resource based economy there will be no private property. Everyone's nessesities will be fulfilled.
    Here is just a simple ordinary question.
    As much as I am fond of the whole new ideas put forward by the movement help me understand this. Everyone does not posses stuff, does not have property. Everything is shared. So how would one have his home private. How to keep intruders away from home. Otherwise people would come from the street claiming they need shelter and they want to stay with you instead of somewhere else. So supposing you don't have any papers that say that the home is yours how would you keep unwanted guests out?
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    Hi,

    Very understandable to have these type of uncertainties. I guess the way to look at it is oddly similar to the way we use Resources today. Your Home would still be 'your home' in that you/family would be the ones deciding how to use this Resource. No one would be allowed to go around taking over people's Resources just like they Can't today. This would be a problem that would have to be sorted out if it indeed became a serious issue but just being an Abundance Economy should really take care of Most of this.

    When people are using a certain Resource, that is for them to manage how they will use it and only is surrendered when they decide they Don't need it anymore. So people would have to understand that if they Needed something, they would have to go through the proper channels in accessing these Resources. Trying to take from others while those Resources are in use would just be like Today, Illegal Activity. So if you really start thinking about it, it doesn't really deviate too much from the way we use Resources Today.
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    B, b, b, but Ernest....the fact is...We do have people who DO take over Resources (whether it be a Home or the minerals beneath ones feet) rightfully belonging to other people every single day....not only getting away with it legally, but also making enormous profits and gaining esteem and assistance from other people doing it too....

    Alas, its called Capitalism in these times....
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    Yeah I know but I meant it as a way the Regular citizens are expected to live in our Societies. TPTB that exist Today wont be around in a NLRBE are a different story. Obviously they do what they want and Take from others because in Capitalism, that's how they become more wealthy.
    Last edited by Ernest; 07-31-2016 at 08:43 PM.
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    I think, friends, that despite all the stuff being said about a wonderful living organisms that human beings are, they are highly irrational. They cannot be as effective and rational as robots. Hence I find it to be an obstacle to all the ideas about bright intelligent future put forward by Jaque Fresco and other resource based economy advocates.
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    "Obstacles are here to be conquered"

    Personally, I don't trust robots any more than the humans building them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    "Obstacles are here to be conquered"

    Personally, I don't trust robots any more than the humans building them....
    Life is here to conquer, overcome and dominate to excel beyond its limitations by creating new ones as to continue the circle of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2016 View Post
    I think, friends, that despite all the stuff being said about a wonderful living organisms that human beings are, they are highly irrational.
    As of now you are correct. the question is are humans inherently irrational, or maybe there is some progression towards rationality over time?
    I believe there is a progression towards rationality through culture and learning and we can see that if we look at societies and their progress over time.
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    Robots are as moral as the person who writes the code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    As of now you are correct. the question is are humans inherently irrational, or maybe there is some progression towards rationality over time?
    I believe there is a progression towards rationality through culture and learning and we can see that if we look at societies and their progress over time.
    I guess. But. It is so hard for me to see how people behave. And despite all the great aims that we all have, the arms race continues. The borders are there to stay. The simple example is gun lovers. And I cannot argue with them because on one hand I despise any kind of weapons and guns because all the terrible things they cause but on the other hand people surely need guns for protection from the government. This is just one example.
    Second one would be cultural differences. It is easy to say "bridge the differences" but like I said people are people and not robots and as much as I want the rationality and free thinking to prevail it is not even near. Watch Israel and Palestine. It seems that some borders are impossible to destroy. They make sure to build new ones in no time. Clear example with devide and conquer agenda that they futhered in Europe with controled flow of refugees the world has ever known. You don't believe it until you see it. Then comes rape and murder cases that they link to people not forgetting to mention their Syrian or Iraqi origin. People in Europe don't want to bridge with eastern cultures.
    What I am trying to say is that science and technology can not give answers to everything and we need to have something more powerful to make people understand that they are one and not different.
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