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    I think it's very Important though for people to have some sort of appreciation for Nature & where our food comes from. We should be learning about Self-Sufficiency so that people can have that extra knowledge to give them more Control over their lives so that they won't have to rely on the Market System so much. I think this would foster more Anti-Capitalist sentiment and encourage people to look for Newer alternatives to the existing state of affairs. Kind of like we do here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    The way i see it , tzm is more about living in hi-tech cities rather than going back to nature and growing your own food.
    7 billion people owning their own land and growing food on it? not so sure about that....

    tzm aims for efficiency.
    Well if that's the case...its gonna be a long while, no?.....No one ever implied that 'we should all' return to the LAND.....although IMHO....there's more than enough LAND to satisfy the needs of everyone on the Planet.....if the majority wasn't being denied ACCESS....

    Cities are only efficient as long as they can use exploited resources and people to support them.....just a personal opinion....

    The majority of humans live in cities right now, mostly on coastlines that are also under threat from rising water. The vast majority of these city dwellers wouldn't survive more than a few days w/out the 'services' provided from outside these cities.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Well if that's the case...its gonna be a long while, no?.....No one ever implied that 'we should all' return to the LAND.....although IMHO....there's more than enough LAND to satisfy the needs of everyone on the Planet.....if the majority wasn't being denied ACCESS....

    Cities are only efficient as long as they can use exploited resources and people to support them.....just a personal opinion....

    The majority of humans live in cities right now, mostly on coastlines that are also under threat from rising water. The vast majority of these city dwellers wouldn't survive more than a few days w/out the 'services' provided from outside these cities.....

    TZM must come up with a system which is better than capitalism, otherwise not a lot of people would support the movement. high-tech cities & automation like mentioned by HAL9000 is the way to go in my opinion
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    We're talking about people, right? Like many folks resisting the entrapments of modern society I guess I like 'knowing' my neighbors too much to consider it likely that city life will ever advance humanity in any significant way .... but I could be wrong....

    Cities create and entrench our current 'disconnect' from the natural world that allows for the existence/acceptance of capitalism ..AKA; our planets and our people's exploitation and destruction ....a destruction being carried out right before our eyes every waking day.... blatantly noticeable in any city but blind or simply accepted as normal to most of its residents....some of whom may feel compassionate for the shape of the world...may even protest against its destruction....but are generally content to do little more than provide lip service as long as the car has available fuel, the local store has available food.....and available communication via the latest hand held or 'soon to be' implanted gizmo...

    By their very nature, a collective blindness exists and remains the curse of cities....IMHO....its part of the disconnect that began Eons ago....

    Sorry for ranting......I don't even know what I'm doing inside right now....wanted to share this I guess....

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    What would this look like?

    I know City Landscapes today are basically Concrete Jungles with varying degrees of Greenery & Nature Space. But what if Cities & really all Communities where designed to at least be of 50% Greenery Space such as Gardens, Nature Trails, Plants, Trees and similar Environments.

    What Changes would this have on people's connection to Earth? This could be the way of the Future to 'clean up' some of the mess caused by our current development. Maybe it would be a wise idea to begin restoring Towns & Smaller Cities in this way before eventually tackling harder areas like our Bigger Cities. I think it would absolutely be Beautiful to live in these type of surroundings.
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    Maybe look something like this?

    http://www.4us2be.com/wp-content/upl...us-project.jpg

    combine nature with the benefits of city life... there is a reason people flock to cities - people want interaction with other people, new ideas, public amenities like museums sports stadiums, public transportation, youngsters are looking for a bigger diversity of mates.

    when we talk about city life here, we are not talking about today but what it could be in the future.

    i understand why somebody would like to buy a plot of land in isolation or small community, but it seems like going backwards to me and not GOING FORWARD (maybe even selfish? ). maybe its an American thing because you guys have all this land

    If people can't trust their own community to grow food publicly, what else cant we trust them to do? in RBE we grow food publicly but NOT FOR PROFIT MOTIVE, so the food is fresh and healthy.
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    Looking at China as a recent example...most people move from the country to cities for JOBS.....They are willing to live in a 'different' kind of misery in order to maintain those JOBS.....are willing to risk their health and our planet for JOBS...

    We have much work to do before we can consider cities anything but representations of human expansion, arrogance and exploitation/profiteering for the LAND Speculators (who then deny a return access that's been inflated).....

    Cities cannot example the Natural World no matter how hard it may try.....not w/ simply providing more trails and parks.....although it'd be a step in the right direction.....maybe

    Our planet has 'millions' of acres of LAND available......but is inaccessible to the majority of people due to an accepted economic system which denies our rightful place upon this World, along w/ our rightful SHARE of the wealth.....If that is acceptable to the many who select city life over country life....who am I to challenge the arrangement conceived so long ago....an arrangement of disjointed fragments....and so filled with 'things to do' that the misery/drudgery of city life becomes tolerable....

    I gotta ask those city dwellers roaming in these pages; How many of you live on the 'poor side' of town? How's your commute? What parts of your city do you instinctively avoid? WHY? What contributions are being made to correct the deficiencies of your particular city? How long would you and yours survive if you could no longer depend on the efforts of those living outside of your city?

    Someone mentioned/implied above that folks living a country life may be selfish.....but I can only turn that assumption around based on personal experiences living BOTH, now fully entrenched in the country after nearly 40 years, but frequently still visiting cities (mostly to attend Marches/Protests and attending allegedly important meetings designed to "Change the World" as it is known :roll eyes: )...... I remain uncertain of the effectiveness of these endeavors but we push on in the struggle (what else can we do, besides go shopping?).....

    TBH; With limiting exceptions, I've found most city folks considerably more selfish, more self involved, more rude, less community oriented.....etc...than country folks.....

    When pressed.....Most city folks will admit they believe country folks are just a bunch of hicks.....Before moving to the country for good....I thought so to.....but there's a lot more going on in our woods and forests than most folks can even imagine......w/out the artificial pressures of city life....
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Cities cannot example the Natural World no matter how hard it may try.....not w/ simply providing more trails and parks.....although it'd be a step in the right direction.....maybe
    This is more like what I was trying to get at. Redesigning our Cities/Towns to be more in touch with Nature. Picture a beautiful Park today that you know and transplant your City/Town right in the middle of it and let it all meld into One Green-Urban Living Space. I would like to see how this would Change the way people Live. What it does to our Egos & Selfishness once we are more surrounded by Nature. Hopefully even making it easier for Most people to see the Beauty in the TVP design and pushing for its implementation now that they have developed a Greater appreciation for Sustainability & Natural Surroundings.
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    So we'll be sharing toothbrushes? Great.

    j/k
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    Hi there. First post on the TZM forum after being a follower for some time...

    Back to the OP just to put a different spin on it. The entire world population of 2016 would fit on an area the size of Australia with each individual having a footprint of 1,000 square metres (about 10,000 square foot). Newborns and toddlers included. The rest of the planet would be devoid of humans...(!!)
    The average home surface (flats and houses) for a family with two kids in Western Europe for instance is about 100 sqm.

    In other words, this little pale blue dot still has some enormous potential if put into perspective in terms of surface. Then thinking of vertical farming, the habitable surface for people, and of course untouched nature itself, will multiply by a factor of 10 or more.
    Last edited by RFB; 09-05-2016 at 04:45 AM.
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