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    Quote Originally Posted by 2016 View Post
    I guess. But. It is so hard for me to see how people behave. And despite all the great aims that we all have, the arms race continues. The borders are there to stay. The simple example is gun lovers. And I cannot argue with them because on one hand I despise any kind of weapons and guns because all the terrible things they cause but on the other hand people surely need guns for protection from the government. This is just one example.
    Second one would be cultural differences. It is easy to say "bridge the differences" but like I said people are people and not robots and as much as I want the rationality and free thinking to prevail it is not even near. Watch Israel and Palestine. It seems that some borders are impossible to destroy. They make sure to build new ones in no time. Clear example with devide and conquer agenda that they futhered in Europe with controled flow of refugees the world has ever known. You don't believe it until you see it. Then comes rape and murder cases that they link to people not forgetting to mention their Syrian or Iraqi origin. People in Europe don't want to bridge with eastern cultures.
    What I am trying to say is that science and technology can not give answers to everything and we need to have something more powerful to make people understand that they are one and not different.
    What we need is time... we are only planting seeds here.

    The borders are not here to stay!!!! you can my mark my words. we all came from the same group of humans in east Africa and nature will make sure we'll reunited together despite our "leaders" sinister desires.
    what happens when a blond European girl fall in love with a brown refugee or vice versa?
    How can nations possibly block the desire of people to roam around the earth freely and to settle wherever they want? this idea is ridiculous and its only a matter of time before it fails.

    Israelis and Palestinians will shake hands and hug together the minute basic necessities are secured for them. the war is not about religion, culture or ideology. its about resources!!!!!

    Science and technology can provide abundance of basic necessities, the rest will solve itself naturally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    As of now you are correct. the question is are humans inherently irrational, or maybe there is some progression towards rationality over time?
    I believe there is a progression towards rationality through culture and learning and we can see that if we look at societies and their progress over time.
    Why are We so Irrational? What produces it? World Culture repeated through our Social Institutions, e.g. Education, Religion, Governments and probably the Biggest contribution Economics. We learn to be this way because our Cultures are reinforcing it. Since Economics is pretty much where everything else is initiated from, it Needs to be Changed in other for us to have the Greatest affects on how people think/behave. But since this is also the most difficult part of changing Social Systems, we can't expect that Most people will be able to become Rational Human Beings right away. I believe it begins with the current wave of Rational individuals out there looking for some type of change to try and employ New Economic thoughts & behaviors and then building & adding from there more Rational Minds & ideas until hopefully Most of the population can clearly see how Necessary/Logical NLRBE Systems truly are.

    Waiting for Most people Today to become Rational is unattainable. We'll be waiting forever. Nothing's in place today to support this type of development. Fortunately for us, we don't need everyone to start to see some change. Just the right amount of Unity, Agreement on steps to take. And over time, the Capitalism Tree can be chopped down along with its Fruit... Irrationality.
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    "the Capitalism Tree can be chopped down with its Fruit"

    True......but if the ROOT (the very notion that we ought to be capitalizing everything...everyone) isn't destroyed, capitalism will return.....(I've long felt that 'humanity' was the Fruit....but perhaps its more basic than that )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Why are We so Irrational? What produces it? World Culture repeated through our Social Institutions, e.g. Education, Religion, Governments and probably the Biggest contribution Economics.
    You are absolutely correct that our economic system produces irrationality - "hey guys, buy things you don't need with money you don't have, in order to impress people you don't care about"; "hey girl, you are not beautiful enough! buy makeup and designer clothes" . if you had rational actors the economy would collapse in no time...

    I was talking more about witch hunt and religion type of irrationality and i believe we made progress here, trouble is there is not only progression but also regression that usually comes from artificial sources like advertising, the school system, and may i dare say.....PARENTS .
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    @Hal

    Well said and I agree.

    Parent's played a big role for not educating their kids to take a greater interest in themselves and their wellbeing, but that is a topic for another thread instead of settling for the conditions capitalism predetermines for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post

    Parent's played a big role for not educating their kids to take a greater interest in themselves and their wellbeing, but that is a topic for another thread instead of settling for the conditions capitalism predetermines for them.
    I might open a thread on this topic in the future , or you can open one yourself and i'll participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    .I was talking more about witch hunt and religion type of irrationality and i believe we made progress here, trouble is there is not only progression but also regression that usually comes from artificial sources like advertising, the school system, and may i dare say.....PARENTS .
    I agree we have made progress when comparing to our Past. And a good point about Regression. It's like that sayin, "1 step Forward 2 steps Back". And all this also kind of reminds me of the fact that we are not developing fast enough Psychologically to keep up with our Technological development. We have some catching up to do..
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    @Ernest

    I agree and I believe we are nearing the point where our psychology as a species is going to be a crucial turning point that will determine our future, we need to make the right choices contrary to what we've been doing so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post
    @Ernest

    I agree and I believe we are nearing the point where our psychology as a species is going to be a crucial turning point that will determine our future, we need to make the right choices contrary to what we've been doing so far.
    I still remain pessimistic about our
    psychological future......with so many of us still willing to follow the 'loudest mouth' anywhere they might direct us....still 'seeking' some kind of Daddy or Messiah...and unwilling (too fearful) to do the work necessary to advance......

    GOT TRUMP?

    When my partner and I left Big City life in the 70's with our kids in tow.....intent on 'returning' to the LAND....my one remaining Grandmother (who grew up on a farm) was horrified by what she felt was a large step backward....my 5 brothers and one sister all thought we were crazy......but after more than 3 decades those still alive 'finally' get it.....They get WHY we left city life behind.....and secretly (some not so secretly) wish they would have followed suit after 'seeing' what two people with 'more Will than Skill' ....a little piece of LAND and lots of Hard Work can accomplish.....
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    The way i see it , tzm is more about living in hi-tech cities rather than going back to nature and growing your own food.
    7 billion people owning their own land and growing food on it? not so sure about that....

    tzm aims for efficiency.
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