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    Lightbulb My idea for RBE

    Ok so my idea is using an automated computer program to help society manage itself.

    let's say that the world has transformed into what we really want it to be and is post scarcity, now how do you manage to keep that stable? why would a person inspire to become a brain surgeon or a clean energy enginer? how do you manage the fact that there will be people who choose to work many hours and people who dont work at all?

    before i speak about the computer system itself which i will be calling "forum" from now on, i would like to speak about the overall structure of society in a very simple and clear way.

    A family is having a baby-->They apply through the forum for the baby needs(clothes food and all that good stuff)-->automatic system check if those things are abundant and->(option 1)yes and stuff delivered->(2) no system updates items

    as scarce and posting that there is a need for those items or for jobs that will help make those items(society will be able to choose if those things are important to them)-->kid grows up, learn basic things like we do at school till the age of 12

    -->at 12(can be changed) kids go through a test(not just written one obv)(mental,physical,social) to see what is best suited for them( they dont have to start learning the subject suggested to them)

    -->learning-->(1) not happy with it starting somthing else->(2) finish studying and start working in your field without getting "points"(i will explain later what points are)->(3) finishing no points period and starting working "normally"

    ->(4) not happy with your profession go back to (1)

    so basicly this "forum" is a tool to help society manage itself and understand it needs better without giving power to any specefic people or groups and this supports equality, i have many ideas for how the system will function but that is to complicated for me to share verbally.

    the point system: points are used to determine who get's the things that are in scarce(like a house on the beach). the more your profession is in demand by the people the more points you generate by doing that,the more points you have the more influence you have over "state" affairs(this is a very crude description and i am sorry for that but it is to hard for me to explain somthing this complex here).points are gone when you die and they cant be transfer to your family or to anyone else.

    why this system? because it will solve problems of jealousy, people who do not want to work will still have all their basic needs met and they will be able to live happily while people who choose to do extra work will get a bit of "rewards"
    and more influence of state affairs.

    would love to hear your responses and i am really sorry for the overall crude description of everything.

    p.s: sry for my poor english.. and if i forgot anything please say so in your comment
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    Have you heard of this System Copiosis? Your idea kind of reminds me of it.

    The 'Points System' also sounds like it might create some Problems with Social-Stratification maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    why would a person inspire to become a brain surgeon or a clean energy enginer? how do you manage the fact that there will be people who choose to work many hours and people who dont work at all?
    at the very core of tzm goal for now is redesign a new economy/social/environment (with self sufficient/sustainable use of resource) setup which eradicate unnecessary poverty,war & politics. the point of sustainability is where you can imagine way long into future and living standards is still relatively good.

    the new setup eventually gives everyone so many free-time at their own disposal, people eventually has time to venture into their own interested field. however there are ppl might needed certain resource for their project, at this time the only possible way i can imagine is we have to define clearly between the "needs/necessity" or "desire/wants". if a person's desire, need certain resource that eventually will affect the supply of necessity,therefore this is an education problem, (we can solve this via education & at the same time, venture outerspace looking for more resource?). also due to complex integrated use of resource, perhaps each of us will need a robot assistant to guide us so we can make informed decision.

    to respond your question about why ppl would want to be brain surgeon, issues like these we can plan in advance. such as preparing medical robots with A.I that has same capability as a human surgeon, just in case human surgeon is not available or occupied, the robots is ready to take over the job. your real question perhaps is what are the incentive for human to improve if we live in NLRBE system. the only aspect i can think of now is, people born and live in new system, they will feel they're still lack of necessity, they have moved up the higher chain which their definition of necessity is completely different than what we have now. such as being taken care of basic needs is no longer a luxury, but having more advanced/smarter robot that help them achieve anything is their goal, therefore they are motivated to improve the setup which has been build by their ancestor. the robots theyre having could be brain surgeon/doctor or clean engineer which youve been talking about. hope this answers your doubt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Have you heard of this System Copiosis? Your idea kind of reminds me of it.

    The 'Points System' also sounds like it might create some Problems with Social-Stratification maybe.
    point system is exactly like money with social stratification, wont work. perhaps its the clear definition of "needs" or "desire" in future education system will solve the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    let's say that the world has transformed into what we really want it to be and is post scarcity, now how do you manage to keep that stable? why would a person inspire to become a brain surgeon or a clean energy enginer? how do you manage the fact that there will be people who choose to work many hours and people who dont work at all?
    Well ideally, most jobs wouldn't even exist. Even today, we have technology that can simulate surgery and we have intelligent machines that plan and engineer structures for us. If we have that kind of technology today, even with our inefficient economic system, imagine what we will do then. Surgeons, Engineers, Construction, etc. would all be optional. If you want to become a surgeon, go ahead, but our technology will be much better than you and that job will be unnecessary. You have a cool architectural design? Awesome, let me run it through my computer so it can find out how to make it structurally sound and efficient. This opens up new opportunities of epic proportions for artistic expansion of the human mind. A common myth perpetuated by market enthusiasts is that without monetary incentive, men will become lazy slobs, but that is not the case. The lazy slob sentiment is a symptom of the consumerist society we live in.

    Take a week off of work. Rent a cabin out in the woods. Leave your phone behind, and block all social media, games, unproductive apps you have from your computer. After staying there for a couple days, you'll want to do something. You'll want to walk around, draw a picture, do some math equations, learn something new. And if you lived the entire rest of your life like that, you'll eventually find something you're passionate about. You study and learn about it not because someone pays you, but because it's what you love. That's the underlying thought process. 90% of jobs will be unneeded in our society. You wont live solely to work, as most do today, you'll live because it brings enjoyment and because you can do the things you want to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    before i speak about the computer system itself which i will be calling "forum" from now on, i would like to speak about the overall structure of society in a very simple and clear way.

    A family is having a baby-->They apply through the forum for the baby needs(clothes food and all that good stuff)-->automatic system check if those things are abundant and->(option 1)yes and stuff delivered->(2) no system updates items

    as scarce and posting that there is a need for those items or for jobs that will help make those items(society will be able to choose if those things are important to them)-->kid grows up, learn basic things like we do at school till the age of 12

    -->at 12(can be changed) kids go through a test(not just written one obv)(mental,physical,social) to see what is best suited for them( they dont have to start learning the subject suggested to them)

    -->learning-->(1) not happy with it starting somthing else->(2) finish studying and start working in your field without getting "points"(i will explain later what points are)->(3) finishing no points period and starting working "normally"

    ->(4) not happy with your profession go back to (1)
    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    the point system: points are used to determine who get's the things that are in scarce(like a house on the beach). the more your profession is in demand by the people the more points you generate by doing that,the more points you have the more influence you have over "state" affairs(this is a very crude description and i am sorry for that but it is to hard for me to explain somthing this complex here).points are gone when you die and they cant be transfer to your family or to anyone else.

    why this system? because it will solve problems of jealousy, people who do not want to work will still have all their basic needs met and they will be able to live happily while people who choose to do extra work will get a bit of "rewards"
    and more influence of state affairs.
    I like your idea about a computer, I really do. A large global mainframe that interconnects society is a great idea. I do hesitate to subscribe to your idea of testing to find what is best suited for a child, especially at such a young age where they are still growing and finding out who they are. I feel like passions need to arise naturally through the educational career of a student. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen very well in our test-oriented educational system. Students are simply concerned with passing test X to pass class Y in order to get to college Z. Instead, knowledge should be learned so that students can flip the switch that turns the motor in their soul on. Like I said before, passions need to arise naturally by exposing the student to various different subjects, matters, and topics.

    And that brings me to my next concern. To me, the point system just seems like another monetary system. Refraining from calling money by its name near-cowardly and seems like it is just turning the other cheek to an unjust and inefficient economic system. Assigning value to someone via money, points, etc., is no different than what we have in our society today, and is simply not right. As shown by our current state of affairs, this leads to social stratification, greed, and general inequality.

    While the idea of people working "extra" for more rewards and political power sounds great, in reality it is unstable and unnecessary. Not only is working for more rewards and power a very consumerist and materialistic idea, it will also be very inefficient in a NLRBE anyways. Anything you could do "extra" yourself will be able to be done ten times better by a machine.

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    would love to hear your responses and i am really sorry for the overall crude description of everything.

    p.s: sry for my poor english.. and if i forgot anything please say so in your comment
    Alright, well here is my response. I am new here on the forum and this is one of my first real posts. I am very enthusiastic about TZM and hope to become a large part of it and help in any way I can. I also want to say a few things as well. I, like many if not all of you, grew up in a very consumerist and materialistic society. Although I try to distance my self from those ideas, it is impossible for me to one-hundred percent get rid of them. All of the ideas present before you were not designed to be enforced on anyone; rather, they were meant to be ideas that I personally believe should be held in common by all people. I do not believe in imposing any of those ideas by force; instead, they should be discussed about and taught in such a way that people realize that that is what is truly right.

    Anyways, thanks so much for reading and be sure to ask questions on anything you want.

    ~apocryphous`
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