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    Lightbulb The System of Work.

    There are three orders of work.

    Primary Work is regarded as someone's personal job for their own personal fulfillment.

    Secondary Work is regarded as civil service to society (necessary for its health) such as security forces (police), (military training), paramedics etc.

    Tertiary Work is regarded as civil duty such as voting, jury, etc.

    According to Natural Law and Order based on holistic survival, we are to achieve an optimal level of prosperity (coinciding with our moral principles).

    I will elaborate using a scenario.

    We will use the age system for the sake of the explanation although all orders will be applied to someone's abilities.

    Let's say from the age of 0-10 people are parented in the ways of life and are brought up to be functional members of society, they are educated in the conduct of society, thought basic learning skills and knowledge.

    At 10-20 years of age, people begin the informal education process where they are thought the basics of all the fundamental features of society and the universe such as the sciences of physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, sociology, psychology etc.

    At 20-30, People select careers it is a voluntary procedure (primary job (for example physicist), it is changeable) and begin the formal education in said career.

    Also, at age 20 people will learn and operate the secondary jobs necessary and it will be mandatory (it will apply under conditions, for example, there are a lack of paramedics etc), although only the best candidates through aptitude testing will be given such work, should there be two candidates of the equal score there will either be a random process of selection or appropriate competitive test to determine the best-equipped members of society to be applied to the job.

    At age 30+ People can perform the careers they are capable of.

    Although when it comes to working in a limited environment with limited resources such as a laboratory or other facility the best possible candidates will be chosen under the same procedure for secondary work.

    People who work a primary job may also be applicable to work secondary jobs.

    When a position is available in a facility such a person will be notified and will be requested to work, the person has the option to decline in which case the next person applicable will be given the opportunity.

    People who work in a facility will have their work laid out for them by the public as they are a participating member of an agency.

    These people will work in a competitive selective environment where they will be held to the highest standards.

    A person who is not selected to work in a facility will have the option to work under the conditions of a public library like a scenario where they can utilize the resources available to perform their operations be it mainly independently or within a group etc directives, guidelines and rules for conduct may apply if it is a project or special use of resources etc.

    These people will also act as the board of directors as in they will be the administration acting as the scientific consensus and body that direct policies chosen by the public, administrating, moderating and operating the directives, guidelines and rules of conduct for people who work in facilities (based on the standards of the neutral aspects of natural law and order)

    The public will govern and be able to contribute to such bodies of work which act like agencies, as a democracy where the public directly decides the policies, for example, the public may create a project to research or create X in which case the people who do not work in the facilities but are educated members of the field and those who function as a group of peers will ensure the policies are enacted upon, according to the neutral aspects of natural law and order.

    The Tertiary work will be required for all people to perform.

    The NELO aka NLRBE will determine the allocation of resources to agencies and members of whether formal or informal to perform specific projects etc based either upon circumstances of principle or neutral circumstances of opinion when applicable.

    This is the system of work I have envisioned for society determined through Natural Existential Law & Order, setting up the RBE.

    Work is determined according to lawful priority under the natural order.
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    What? No category for leisure....for some well deserved R & R?

    That's what most people need IMO.....more leisure time away from working or even prepping for a 'so-called' career that may or may not pan out, away from being categorized into little tribes, with rules keeping everyone organized (decided by Whom?), and artificially separated (and controlled) by societies designers.....

    Doesn't that scenario example what we are trying to eliminate?
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    What? No category for leisure....for some well deserved R & R?

    That's what most people need IMO.....more leisure time away from working or even prepping for a 'so-called' career that may or may not pan out, away from being categorized into little tribes, with rules keeping everyone organized (decided by Whom?), and artificially separated (and controlled) by societies designers.....

    Doesn't that scenario example what we are trying to eliminate?
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    Leisure will be equally balanced with work to achieve a dynamic equilibrium with prosperity and fulfillment/happiness/health/creativity etc to provide economic growth and increase our opportunities to realize the creative potential we share as a society.

    For example, you only have to work as long as you want but if you take up a position in an agency for example at a facility, you become an official staff member and must participate by contract and fulfill your duty otherwise you will risk penalties.

    A typical contract is 1 year.

    Breaching the contract specifically when it comes to refusing to work in this case that does not cause any death/injury can lead to one year of your personal resources and access to resources outside of essentials being withdrawn and your license being revoked until you apply for an evaluation at a bare minimum, the consequences will be varied depending on the rules that you break.


    Leisure is very important as it gives pleasure without evil (under correct conditions) and, therefore, provides happiness which in turn defines how much we value our lives, that is to be optimized to the highest possible degree.

    As in what makes life worth living, Righteousness & Happiness.

    Leisure will be provided to everyone on a fair basis that allows our priorities to be met.

    Once the labor market is closed leisure will be even more abundant than it was previously.

    Also, careers by definition, in this case, is a field of work someone wants to be associated with, you do not have to select a career but you will have to perform civil services should be you called to do so.

    All decisions are made either by natural law and order regarding matters that concern right and wrong, the neutral issues fall into the hands of the people for a direct democratic process.

    All members of society with an active career will be placed under an agency so they will adhere to the policies set in place by their peers and the public, they may also conduct their own careers in terms of providing consensus.

    Not performing civil duties and services when required of you will lead to severe legal consequences mainly depending on who you are and how to best treat you to achieve optimal performance.

    Such consequences can range from anything such as imprisonment, rehabilitation center, insane asylum, solitary confinement, etc.

    After an evaluation, it will determine how to repair the individual so errors are treated in the most effective and humane way possible.

    If the person cannot be repaired there are a vast array of options to reconstruct the individual to a stable level of behavior should that be applicable, otherwise damage control will be provided.

    Repair = therapy, behavioral Adjustment through the environment by allowing the individual to come to terms with society.

    Reconstruction = physical adjustments through direct intervention into the individual's behavior, aka medication etc.

    Damage control = maintaining and developing the individual in the most effective & humane way possible, this may result in physical adjustments in an isolated environment with the combined use of repair and reconstruction or may result in things like memory wiping and indoctrinating an individual so they can be made to function in society etc.

    Damage control is to be used on hostile people like dangerous psychopaths, vicious killers etc if there is no alternative treatment.

    An example of a worse case scenario would be to make such an individual mentally retarded if it would remove hostility etc.

    Still considerably better than today's method of locking people to rot without actually dealing with their problems.

    This system is designed to achieve the best results possible.

    People like adolf hitler will go through an immensely intense process and I cannot stress that enough, if it turns out they end up having their brain turned into pudding at the end of it, so be it.

    Everything will be done to ensure people will not violate the principles of our laws and our order.

    For example, the nazi doctors if we had caught them in this society we would transfer them to a center for disease control and they will be subjected to every possible process to make them good people, and if that requires force etc if warranted as in no other treatment works (even go as far as to force them into changing by electroshock therapy or worse case scenario's such as mental psychotic scaring brought about by dramatic trauma that would allow us to break them and rebuild them in our image) should that fail they will continue to be subjected to such measures, worst case scenario a life of trials and imprisonment + tactical comas as treatment, retardation or death if there is a shortage of resources and conservation austerity measures must be put into place in such case they will be executed/eliminated/annihilated in the most humane way possible.

    They will be forced to submit and comply or face a multitude of consequences ranging from peaceful to the extreme.

    This is extreme damage control.

    Such scenario's will should never need to be used as they are a last case type of deal, the more likely scenario involves making their brain mush but even more likely is that we will erase their personalities and indoctrinate them and then place them in an isolated center for integration.

    The worse case scenario is when you have to break something to make something.

    The mexican drug lords who ritualistically skin people alive, if you need to hit them over the head a couple of times with a hammer etc to fix them so be it (likely to be done more sophisticatedly).

    This is made law & order by NELO by the rule of survival that demands the protection of good and conquering of evil, and as it is a spectrum we do what is necessary even if it means using evil, as long as it is done for good purposes and is required as in no other option will yield a result it is, therefore, acceptable to use necessary evils, in the beginning and the end the result is good therefore the process was good as all viable alternatives were exhausted leaving only the necessary evils to deal with the issue as we must guard against evil and if that means to use evil against itself, so be it.

    Same for ISIS members etc.

    And serial killers, for example like the ones that cook and eat children.

    (very graphic see at your own will)

    Google: mexican drug lords skinning people alive.

    Sick bastards.

    Now you understand what needs to be done.

    Just so you understand the level of evil we are dealing with when it comes to such people, I suggest you read some history.

    9 Sinister Things Nazis Did To Inmates At Concentration Camps - Listverse

    Nazi Medical Experimentation at Auschwitz-Birkenau | Jewish Virtual Library

    Prison is not enough in most cases, In NELO conscious beings are to be pure (not hostile) if they cannot be fixed peacefully they will be fixed with force, and if that means we have to take away their consciousness etc or subject them to horrors unfathomable for them to submit then that is what must be done.

    There can be no psychopathic monstrous people consciously allowed to exist, it doesn't matter how you fix them as long as you try the most humane and if that doesn't work kick it up a notch and if there is no hope and they are conflicting with our priorities, or if they are active hostiles and cannot be subdued, annihilate them.

    Hostile is regarded as someone who is intending to commit harm (cause suffering (mainly pain) and death) unjustifiably to society and it's members.

    Active hostile is someone currently doing so.

    The primary method for dealing with hostile people who cannot be treated without force is to simply take away their consciousness and place them in a coma or some alternative that removes the evil conscious influence that resides in them if possible that yields acceptable results.

    One day hopefully they can be repaired that is why we keep them alive for the potential sake of it, and that it is a sin to destroy life without valid cause.

    Treatment applied to such people will be round the clock repair (mental therapy) and reconstruction (medical therapy), assimilation & integration mediated through indoctrination as well as damage control in extreme cases like that found in (Guantanamo bay) (not violent) combined with coma intervals during the process so no waking moment is wasted as an evil conscious being (someone who wants to cause suffering and death and who enjoys it (such as the sins of NELO).

    If someone is undeserving of consciousness then the appropriate form of action is to remove it.

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    IZON SAYS; Leisure will be equally balanced with work to achieve a dynamic equilibrium with prosperity and fulfillment/happiness/health/creativity etc to provide economic growth and increase our opportunities to realize the creative potential we share as a society.

    For example, you only have to work as long as you want but if you take up a position in an agency for example at a facility, you become an official staff member and must participate by contract and fulfill your duty otherwise you will risk penalties.


    Breaching the contract specifically when it comes to refusing to work in this case that does not cause any death/injury can lead to one year of your personal resources and access to resources outside of essentials being withdrawn and your license being revoked until you apply for an evaluation at a bare minimum, the consequences will be varied depending on the rules that you break.


    Leisure is very important as it gives pleasure without evil (under correct conditions) and, therefore, provides happiness which in turn defines how much we value our lives, that is to be optimized to the highest possible degree.

    As in what makes life worth living, Righteousness & Happiness.

    Leisure will be provided to everyone on a fair basis that allows our priorities to be met.

    Once the labor market is closed leisure will be even more abundant than it was previously.

    Also, careers by definition, in this case, is a field of work someone wants to be associated with, you do not have to select a career but you will have to perform civil services should be you called to do so.

    All decisions are made either by natural law and order regarding matters that concern right and wrong, the neutral issues fall into the hands of the people for a direct democratic process.

    All members of society with an active career will be placed under an agency so they will adhere to the policies set in place by their peers and the public, they may also conduct their own careers in terms of providing consensus.

    Not performing civil duties and services when required of you will lead to severe legal consequences mainly depending on who you are and how to best treat you to achieve optimal performance.

    Such consequences can range from anything such as imprisonment, rehabilitation center, insane asylum, solitary confinement, etc.

    After an evaluation, it will determine how to repair the individual so errors are treated in the most effective and humane way possible.

    If the person cannot be repaired there are a vast array of options to reconstruct the individual to a stable level of behavior should that be applicable, otherwise damage control will be provided.

    Repair = therapy, behavioral Adjustment through the environment by allowing the individual to come to terms with society.

    Reconstruction = physical adjustments through direct intervention into the individual's behavior, aka medication etc.

    Damage control = maintaining and developing the individual in the most effective & humane way possible, this may result in physical adjustments in an isolated environment with the combined use of repair and reconstruction or may result in things like memory wiping and indoctrinating an individual so they can be made to function in society etc.

    Damage control is to be used on hostile people like dangerous psychopaths, vicious killers etc if there is no alternative treatment.

    An example of a worse case scenario would be to make such an individual mentally retarded if it would remove hostility etc.

    Still considerably better than today's method of locking people to rot without actually dealing with their problems.

    This system is designed to achieve the best results possible.

    People like adolf hitler will go through an immensely intense process and I cannot stress that enough, if it turns out they end up having their brain turned into pudding at the end of it, so be it.

    Everything will be done to ensure people will not violate the principles of our laws and our order.

    For example, the nazi doctors if we had caught them in this society we would transfer them to a center for disease control and they will be subjected to every possible process to make them good people

    They will be forced to submit

    Such scenario's will should never need to be used as they are a last case type of deal, the more likely scenario involves making their brain mush but even more likely is that we will erase their personalities and indoctrinate them and then place them in an isolated center

    This is made law & order by NELO by the rule of survival that demands the protection of good and conquering of evil, and as it is a spectrum we do what is necessary even if it means using evil, as long as it is done for good purposes and is required as in no other option will yield a result it is, therefore, acceptable to use necessary evils, in the beginning and the end the result is good therefore the process was good as all viable alternatives were exhausted leaving only the necessary evils to deal with the issue as we must guard against evil and if that means to use evil against itself, so be it.

    Same for ISIS members etc.

    Now you understand what needs to be done.

    Just so you understand the level of evil we are dealing with when it comes to such people, I suggest you read some history.

    Prison is not enough in most cases, In NELO conscious beings are to be pure (not hostile) if they cannot be fixed peacefully they will be fixed with force, and if that means we have to take away their consciousness etc

    There can be no psychopathic monstrous people consciously allowed to exist, it doesn't matter how you fix them as long as you try the most humane and if that doesn't work kick it up a notch and if there is no hope and they are conflicting with our priorities, or if they are active hostiles and cannot be subdued, annihilate them


    The primary method for dealing with hostile people who cannot be treated without force is to simply take away their consciousness and place them in a coma or some alternative that removes the evil conscious influence that resides in them if possible that yields acceptable results.

    One day hopefully they can be repaired that is why we keep them alive for the potential sake of it, and that it is a sin to destroy life without valid cause.

    If someone is undeserving of consciousness then the appropriate form of action is to remove it.


    ****end of IZON's quote******



    @ IZON; Oh boy, here we go....again....

    1. Typing in big or bold fonts don't/won't/can't add strength to the points you're trying to make.....they in fact....will distract/distort the message....and tick some folks off who may even agree with you.....

    2. Who decides what a life 'equally balanced' with leisure and work would look like? What happens to those who may like work more than leisure...or visa/versa?

    3. Telling TZM members and readers 'not to judge' your words while engaging in judging others is kinda problematic, no?

    4. 'Suggesting' that some people 'read some history' and 'assuming' they don't already know a great deal, or don't study history won't garner much support for your opinions either.....not from me anyway....sorry....

    5. As a veteran of our schools, our military, our jails.....and as an activist against TPTB for over 40 years I've witnessed plenty of 'evil' and know very well ....what it looks like, what it feels like.....sometimes taking a long look in the mirror reminds me of my own (and yours) contributions to an evil world.......assisting to keep me on track, focused on the good fight, while practicing kindness toward all those we come in contact with, friends and foes alike....because WE ARE ONE.........AND...... Everyone is capable of evil.

    6. ISIS? You must be kidding, right? All we know of this thing called ISIS is what TPTB want us to know. Isn't the entire world responsible for the ISIS's 'we' helped create? Does anyone really believe the US or UK or even Canada, or Australia etc...__________ is somehow less evil........?

    ..............They are us....We are them.......there is little 'real' difference between us....except perhaps, a seemingly collective willingness to fight and die for a cause, regardless of anyones definition of that cause, the implied or the perceived the reasons behind it......

    We are ONE people manipulated by a few.....and we simply accept that position because Too Many Of Us are Just To Lazy to turn off the TV, get off the couch, and get busy taking ACTION, contributing to the solutions, spreading the knowledge that we are ONE

    7. Advocating for putting 'some' people in prison, or turning their 'brains into mush' or 'fixing them with force' sounds an awful lot like Hitler and his ilk to me.....I'm certain this wasn't the intent......but that's how I see it....how it came across with all the little 'rules' you've presented for us to digest.....

    8. Who gets to decide 'who is undeserving' of consciousness? What if somebody decides you don't deserve it? What then? ....Or.....does your outlined solution for societies problems place YOU in charge of these decisions? ...just wondering....

    9. OK....I read all the way to the bottom before making these judgements and have concluded that; A look in the mirror may be in order.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    IZON SAYS; Leisure will be equally balanced with work to achieve a dynamic equilibrium with prosperity and fulfillment/happiness/health/creativity etc to provide economic growth and increase our opportunities to realize the creative potential we share as a society.

    For example, you only have to work as long as you want but if you take up a position in an agency for example at a facility, you become an official staff member and must participate by contract and fulfill your duty otherwise you will risk penalties.


    Breaching the contract specifically when it comes to refusing to work in this case that does not cause any death/injury can lead to one year of your personal resources and access to resources outside of essentials being withdrawn and your license being revoked until you apply for an evaluation at a bare minimum, the consequences will be varied depending on the rules that you break.


    Leisure is very important as it gives pleasure without evil (under correct conditions) and, therefore, provides happiness which in turn defines how much we value our lives, that is to be optimized to the highest possible degree.

    As in what makes life worth living, Righteousness & Happiness.

    Leisure will be provided to everyone on a fair basis that allows our priorities to be met.

    Once the labor market is closed leisure will be even more abundant than it was previously.

    Also, careers by definition, in this case, is a field of work someone wants to be associated with, you do not have to select a career but you will have to perform civil services should be you called to do so.

    All decisions are made either by natural law and order regarding matters that concern right and wrong, the neutral issues fall into the hands of the people for a direct democratic process.

    All members of society with an active career will be placed under an agency so they will adhere to the policies set in place by their peers and the public, they may also conduct their own careers in terms of providing consensus.

    Not performing civil duties and services when required of you will lead to severe legal consequences mainly depending on who you are and how to best treat you to achieve optimal performance.

    Such consequences can range from anything such as imprisonment, rehabilitation center, insane asylum, solitary confinement, etc.

    After an evaluation, it will determine how to repair the individual so errors are treated in the most effective and humane way possible.

    If the person cannot be repaired there are a vast array of options to reconstruct the individual to a stable level of behavior should that be applicable, otherwise damage control will be provided.

    Repair = therapy, behavioral Adjustment through the environment by allowing the individual to come to terms with society.

    Reconstruction = physical adjustments through direct intervention into the individual's behavior, aka medication etc.

    Damage control = maintaining and developing the individual in the most effective & humane way possible, this may result in physical adjustments in an isolated environment with the combined use of repair and reconstruction or may result in things like memory wiping and indoctrinating an individual so they can be made to function in society etc.

    Damage control is to be used on hostile people like dangerous psychopaths, vicious killers etc if there is no alternative treatment.

    An example of a worse case scenario would be to make such an individual mentally retarded if it would remove hostility etc.

    Still considerably better than today's method of locking people to rot without actually dealing with their problems.

    This system is designed to achieve the best results possible.

    People like adolf hitler will go through an immensely intense process and I cannot stress that enough, if it turns out they end up having their brain turned into pudding at the end of it, so be it.

    Everything will be done to ensure people will not violate the principles of our laws and our order.

    For example, the nazi doctors if we had caught them in this society we would transfer them to a center for disease control and they will be subjected to every possible process to make them good people

    They will be forced to submit

    Such scenario's will should never need to be used as they are a last case type of deal, the more likely scenario involves making their brain mush but even more likely is that we will erase their personalities and indoctrinate them and then place them in an isolated center

    This is made law & order by NELO by the rule of survival that demands the protection of good and conquering of evil, and as it is a spectrum we do what is necessary even if it means using evil, as long as it is done for good purposes and is required as in no other option will yield a result it is, therefore, acceptable to use necessary evils, in the beginning and the end the result is good therefore the process was good as all viable alternatives were exhausted leaving only the necessary evils to deal with the issue as we must guard against evil and if that means to use evil against itself, so be it.

    Same for ISIS members etc.

    Now you understand what needs to be done.

    Just so you understand the level of evil we are dealing with when it comes to such people, I suggest you read some history.

    Prison is not enough in most cases, In NELO conscious beings are to be pure (not hostile) if they cannot be fixed peacefully they will be fixed with force, and if that means we have to take away their consciousness etc

    There can be no psychopathic monstrous people consciously allowed to exist, it doesn't matter how you fix them as long as you try the most humane and if that doesn't work kick it up a notch and if there is no hope and they are conflicting with our priorities, or if they are active hostiles and cannot be subdued, annihilate them


    The primary method for dealing with hostile people who cannot be treated without force is to simply take away their consciousness and place them in a coma or some alternative that removes the evil conscious influence that resides in them if possible that yields acceptable results.

    One day hopefully they can be repaired that is why we keep them alive for the potential sake of it, and that it is a sin to destroy life without valid cause.

    If someone is undeserving of consciousness then the appropriate form of action is to remove it.


    ****end of IZON's quote******



    @ IZON; Oh boy, here we go....again....

    1. Typing in big or bold fonts don't/won't can't add strength to the points you're trying to make.....they in fact....will distract/distort the message....and tick some folks off who may even agree with you.....

    2. Who decides what a life 'equally balanced' with leisure and work would look like? What happens to those who may like work more than leisure...or visa/versa?

    3. Telling TZM members and readers 'not to judge' your words while engaging in judging others is kinda problematic, no?

    4. 'Suggesting' that some people 'read some history' and 'assuming' they don't already know a great deal, or don't study history won't garner much support for your opinions either.....not from me anyway....sorry....

    5. As a veteran of our schools, our military, our jails.....and as an activist against TPTB for over 40 years I've witnessed plenty of 'evil' and know very well ....what it looks like, what it feels like.....sometimes taking a long look in the mirror reminds me of my own (and yours) contributions to an evil world.......assisting to keep me on track, focused on the good fight, while practicing kindness toward all those we come in contact with, friends and foes alike....because WE ARE ONE. Everyone is capable of evil

    6. ISIS? You must be kidding, right? All we know of this thing called ISIS is what TPTB want us to know. Isn't the entire world responsible for the ISIS's 'we' helped create? Does anyone really believe the US or UK or even Canada, or Australia etc...__________ is somehow less evil........?

    ..............They are us....We are them.......there is little 'real' difference between us....except perhaps, a seemingly collective willingness to fight and die for a cause, regardless of anyones definition of that cause, the implied or the perceived the reasons behind it......

    We are ONE people manipulated by a few.....and we simply accept that position because Too Many Of Us are Just To Lazy to turn off the TV, get off the couch, and get busy taking ACTION, contributing to the solutions, spreading the knowledge that we are ONE

    7. Advocating for putting 'some' people in prison, or turning their 'brains into mush' or 'fixing them with force' sounds an awful lot like Hitler and his ilk to me.....I'm certain this wasn't the intent......but that's how I see it....how it came across with all the little 'rules' you've presented for us to digest.....

    8. Who gets to decide 'who is undeserving' of consciousness? What if somebody decides you don't deserve it? What then? ....Or.....does your outlined solution for societies problems place YOU in charge of these decisions? ...just wondering....

    9. OK....I read all the way to the bottom before making these judgements and have concluded that; A look in the mirror may be in order.......
    I'll need to create a rebuttal to this as you have many valid points, and I respect your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post
    I'll need to create a rebuttal to this as you have many valid points, and I respect your opinion.

    And I yours my friend......
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    And I yours my friend......
    1. completely valid (although my intent was to create an emphasis).

    2. Work, in this case, civil service is decided by society's needs (food, medication, shelter, etc) by ensuring everyone has a healthy life we will work to provide a healthy society for the sake of its members, all luxuries will be created voluntarily.

    It will be done in the fairest way possible and in the most effective way possible.

    For example, let's say someone is 20 years old and they are now applicable to serve society they will be evaluated and should his help be required for example we need paramedics and he fits the profile and he is the best one suited for the job he will be selected to do so, he will be trained to be a paramedic and will perform the operation until his help is no longer required or there is someone who is equally suited to perform the job in which case a rotation of the individuals capable will be set into motion.

    Said individual will still be able to pursue his own fulfillment by studying and performing his own career and leisure will also be applicable should it be possible.

    Life is equally balanced when society's health has its immediate needs (hunger, medication, shelter etc) met and has the ability to develop and sustain itself.

    During the process, people will be given an equal and fair amount of leisure based on how well-equipped society is to be able to provide said leisure and still operate.

    3. True although I only said to hold your judgment until someone has fully read the text so they do not do so prematurely.

    4. When I suggested taking a look at history it was to refresh the understanding by bringing it attention to fuel the "fire" so to speak for the need for change.

    5. I agree, everyone is capable of fighting evil but only under certain conditions, hitler won't step down as a good man he needs to be changed and that is the narrative being put forth, forced change into as you said someone focused on the good fight, while practicing kindness toward all those we come in contact with, friends and foes alike.

    6. Very true, ISIS and its contributors will be applied to justice (rehabilitation) to bring them to a functional standard in a society where they no longer seek to harm society and its members.


    7. It is unfortunate but it is necessary, the only way to change something corrupt is to uncorrupt it and if that requires force than it is a necessary act of evil otherwise the person is condemned to be evil (filled with hate and the desire to hurt society and it's members) and, therefore, will never amount to anything, that is a far worse faith.

    8. If I am undeserving of consciousness than so be it, who is deserving is decided by NELO (A set of natural rules (based on holistic survival aka cooperative/societal survival/universal well being) created to design a benevolent society).

    Three factors of health, personality, mind (cognitive abilities), and physical health).

    If someone's personality aka consciousness is defective as in they are using it to commit acts of evil (aka to kill and harm society's members and society itself).

    They are undeserving of consciousness as their consciousness serves no good purpose and, therefore, is void.

    Removing someone's consciousness is the last resort we will attempt to rehabilitate them in every way possible until then (without the use of necessary evils such as suffering/pain/death).

    A simple medically induced coma will be applied when the person is not participating in the activities required for him to be rehabilitated.

    Such as when the person is meant to sleep.

    This way we can limit evil consciousness to a minimum (the conscious desire to hurt and kill).

    The most likely scenario is that we will erase such a personality (someone who wants to kill and hurt people) and indoctrinate them into doing good for society, they will be raised from the ground up as if they were children to make people happy and their needs met and ensuring the survival of good will and its influence over evil, they will be placed into an assimilation/integration center so they can be made functional members of society and when they are, they will be placed back into society as good samaritans.

    9. It is always good to reflect.

    10. The center for disease control & extreme damage control scenario's are not applicable or required today.

    As we have access to advance medication and therapeutic as well as constructive and reconstructive techniques.

    They would have been applicable and necessary in a time like the medieval ages but we have since evolved past such a condition.

    11. Hopefully, you are less off put by this elaboration.

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    Natural Existential Primary Law & Order of Righteousness Peace & War

    Protect The Existence Of Good
    Create the Development & Integrity of Good
    The Holistic Optimal Survival Of Good And Its Prosperity.

    Conquer evil
    The Annihilation/Elimination, Domination/Oppression, Conversion Of evil
    Destroy evil With Necessary evils When Warranted
    Dominate And Oppress The Influence Of evil Itself
    Convert evil Into Good When Possible.
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    Itself refers to only dominating and oppressing evil allowing for the good of something to prosper and survive, important to understand.

    Also I wrote it as such to be in formal context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post

    2. Work, in this case, civil service is decided by society's needs (food, medication, shelter, etc) by ensuring everyone has a healthy life we will work to provide a healthy society for the sake of its members, all luxuries will be created voluntarily.

    It will be done in the fairest way possible and in the most effective way possible.

    For example, let's say someone is 20 years old and they are now applicable to serve society they will be evaluated and should his help be required for example we need paramedics and he fits the profile and he is the best one suited for the job he will be selected to do so, he will be trained to be a paramedic and will perform the operation until his help is no longer required or there is someone who is equally suited to perform the job in which case a rotation of the individuals capable will be set into motion.

    Said individual will still be able to pursue his own fulfillment by studying and performing his own career and leisure will also be applicable should it be possible.

    Why wouldn't you allow a citizen to be allowed to choose their task or career in the RBE themselves from the start?

    I don't expect telling people what they will be doing will inspire much motivation to participate in such a resource management model.

    Why not let people's personal motivations decide where they will contribute their skills and energies?

    Not everyone is going to be at one level of drive and personal motivation. People in a population exist at a variety of levels of personal drive and motivation levels. Not everyone is going to want to be a high performing professional or know what they want to do. Nor is everyone going to be undecided on a career and open to any available task.

    There will be some who choose on a definite career path and others more indifferent and undecided to what they do to obtain their needed resources and as such open to performing lower skilled tasks in the meantime.

    The point is, all you have to do is make some kind of cooperative work input (other than leisure and entertainment work) required of each citizen to receive their regular allowance of resources and people will naturally gravitate to a career or task themselves without the need to force them into a specific area.

    I'm not sure why you think there is a need to make this unnecessarily complicated or authoritarian. If people must input work in a RBE to receive resources (just like they do now, btw), they will find something to do themselves.
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