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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post
    @Neil

    Neil, I full heartedly agree with you that success is based on the fulfillment of society and it's members potential and state to maximize prosperity in regards to their needs and desires, collective and individually.

    Beyond that, it is important to recognize that the socialism you are referring to is "democratic" socialism, socialism centered on a capitalistic monetary system.

    The true and original (undistorted by capitalism) definition of socialism,

    A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Which is one of the main features of an NLRBE & RBE.

    To quote droneBEE.



    But that's still capitalism, specifically state capitalism. The main features of RBE are the implementation of technology: https://www.thevenusproject.com/resource-based-economy/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    But that's still capitalism, specifically state capitalism. The main features of RBE are the implementation of technology: https://www.thevenusproject.com/resource-based-economy/
    It can be considered as state capitalism if it was revolving around a monetary system, but as the production and distribution is of course implemented technologically through an RBE, the social organization that control's and own's said means is that of the community (society) in regards to the world's resources specifically in relation to resources utilized for non-need based purposes, the process is, of course, directly democratic.

    As everyone get's to place their share of the resources into a specific operation and thereby produce a specific service or item personalized to their desires.

    So if you have a vote to create something that is very unpopular you can use your share of the resources to do so and thereby your project is less likely to see itself completed.

    For example, if you read my forum post on how an NLRBE functions through the use of milk as an example, let's say you wanted to start a project to create an Olympic swimming pool filled with milk.

    After you sorted out the basis for the Olympic swimming pool etc, filling the pool with milk will require contributions from multiple parties, as the greater the task the greater the resource requirements the more people need to be involved in establishing it.

    It is the ultimate utility based method of democracy.

    Now the only thing that needs to be settled is the basis of how the pool's access is regulated, feel free to elaborate on how you see the nature of access will be established in this instance.

    I see it fair that there should be temporary ownership limited by time dependent on a percentage of the complexity required to establish the given object.

    For example, if you make a project that theoretically takes 1000 days to fill the pool with milk (given that time allotted for the project), you have access to the resource aka pool for 1000 days afterward the resource enters the community's library.

    Essentially you get what you pay for, given that everyone has equal access to the resources of the world it seems fair to me to establish a basis for such control.

    Let's say, for example, that a personal project has specific guidelines.

    If the project is not need-based and is purely meant for recreational purposes, the government will not get involved.

    It will, of course, be conducted bureaucratically.

    1. These projects must be funded purely by the participants involved, you get what you pay for no more no less.

    2. Federal Law and Local Law will be applied to the projects, for example, if people pool their land together to construct something and the law is that the land pooled is to be cycled between members in the community than they will be unable to commission the project.

    3. All projects expire after they have been utilized, the time of expiration is directly in league with the time for production, for example if it takes 10 days to build something you have 10 days to use it after it has been built, (time of expiration is estimated according to project requirements and viability).

    4. Projects that expire will be placed into the community's library for the resources to be restocked and repurposed for further use by the community.

    5. If the projects interfere with the community's ability to care for its members it will be canceled, for example if the project create's scarcity that would be illegal and the project will be decommissioned and terminated.
    Last edited by Izon; 06-09-2016 at 06:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izon View Post
    It can be considered as state capitalism if it was revolving around a monetary system, but as the production and distribution is of course implemented technologically through an RBE, the social organization that control's and own's said means is that of the community (society) in regards to the world's resources specifically in relation to resources utilized for non-need based purposes, the process is, of course, directly democratic.

    As everyone get's to place their share of the resources into a specific operation and thereby produce a specific service or item personalized to their desires.

    So if you have a vote to create something that is very unpopular you can use your share of the resources to do so and thereby your project is less likely to see itself completed.

    For example, if you read my forum post on how an NLRBE functions through the use of milk as an example, let's say you wanted to start a project to create an Olympic swimming pool filled with milk.

    After you sorted out the basis for the Olympic swimming pool etc, filling the pool with milk will require contributions from multiple parties, as the greater the task the greater the resource requirements the more people need to be involved in establishing it.

    It is the ultimate utility based method of democracy.

    Now the only thing that needs to be settled is the basis of how the pool's access is regulated, feel free to elaborate on how you see the nature of access will be established in this instance.
    Capitalism is essentially trade in general, whether it's a monetary system, barter, some sort of prisoner/chattel situation, etc. The issue is the depencency on manual labor and other forms of work that people do because they get paid to do so. So, what you're talking about continues to still be capitalism, unless enough technology is implemented that will automate and eliminate enough work (manual labor, etc.) to the point that there are more than enough people willing to do the very few things here & there to keep things running smoothly.

    For example, this has somewhat happened when it comes to information, with the implementation of the Internet. We now have forums where people share their ideas and information, such as how to do something or how to fix things; so much of what can be found on the Internet is educational. University professors post videos of their lectures on websites such as Youtube.

    There are probably more websites and videos about beekeeping online than I'll ever read or watch. It's as though people are tripping over each other to share their information, experiences, stories on beekeeping. That's just one particular subject or example. There's also Wikipedia, where people work together to share their knowledge. You even have people creating computer programs and sharing them for free, such as Linux.

    It's because only one person needs to do something that's easy enough for them to do, or only needs to be done one time, and it has the potential to benefit countless other individuals. Sure, in some cases a person might be posting videos for the ad revenue; but I don't think that applies to the bulk of these videos. Many seem to be doing it mainly because they enjoy sharing their information sort of the way a hobbyists enjoys doing what they do.
    Last edited by Neil; 06-07-2016 at 01:09 PM.
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