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    Socialism defined by the World Socialist Movement

    This link is for those wanting to find out the definition of socialism and what being a socialist is about. In my view this is a credible source. I would also encourage discussion on which views are in line with TZM and which ones are not.


    What is Socialism? | World Socialist Movement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    This link is for those wanting to find out the definition of socialism
    I prefer using the dictionary.

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    and what being a socialist is about.
    It doesn't explain the damage that socialism does to society.

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    In my view this is a credible source
    Why?

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    and all other definitions found on this site should be treated with a grain of salt.
    What do you have against TZM and what is found on its site? Maybe it would be more suitable for something like this to go in the common objections section of the forum; right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM and which ones are not.
    Ok that seems fair; but keep in mind that a set of views and the definition for something is two different things. I would also suggest discussion of which ones conflict with TZM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I prefer using the dictionary.
    A sociology dictionary? I find that hard to believe!

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    Ok that seems fair; but keep in mind that a set of views and the definition for something is two different things.
    Please take note of your own advice and you may come across as someone that is truly interested in gaining support for this movement as opposed to someone only here to disrupt. Two ears one mouth, use them accordingly!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I would also suggest discussion of which ones conflict with TZM.
    Hence what I said. "I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT."

    Note: I would have much preferred you address this, but what I have seen in the majority of your 1077 posts are discussions about how you are right and others are wrong. Do you like fig jam by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    A sociology dictionary? I find that hard to believe!
    It doesn't have to be a sociology dictionary; I think any regular dictionary will do just fine. All a sociology dictionary does is eliminate definitions of words that are not relevant to sociology. The dictionary definitions for words are the same, regardless of how specific the dictionary is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    Please take note of your own advice and you may come across as someone that is truly interested in gaining support for this movement as opposed to someone only here to disrupt. Two ears one mouth, use them accordingly!!
    Congratulations! You've just nailed exactly what I always have in mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    Hence what I said. "I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT."
    Yes, I know; I wanted to point that out to emphasize it because of how vague it came across, to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    Note: I would have much preferred you address this,
    I just finished posting in another thread where I essentially did this.

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    but what I have seen in the majority of your 1077 posts are discussions about how you are right and others are wrong.
    When have I ever claimed to be right? I don't do that. I know I might be wrong & in fact I'm more focused on trying to understand what others mean and to try to get others to understand what I'm talking about. I'm fine if someone correct me when I make a mistake; perhaps it might go unnoticed because I won't hesitate to say "you're right & I'm wrong" & everyone just tends to move along from there. I guess it doesn't happen very often on a forum, where I'm checking what I wrote for mistakes & trying to make sure what I write appears to be accurate, but it has happened when I'm speaking with others in person.

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    Do you like fig jam by any chance?
    Looks like that's a regional Australia-specific thing. LOL

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    Socialism Defined

    This link is for those wanting to find out the definition of socialism and what being a socialist is about. In my view this is a credible source. I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM and which ones are not.


    What is Socialism? | World Socialist Movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    This link is for those wanting to find out the definition of socialism and what being a socialist is about. In my view this is a credible source. I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM and which ones are not.


    What is Socialism? | World Socialist Movement
    You might want to be careful what you do here on the forum. Bumping threads goes against the forum rules.

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    Socialism Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    You might want to be careful what you do here on the forum. Bumping threads goes against the forum rules.
    Thanks I'll take note. Its just that I thought the thread got off to a bad start and I wasn't feeling that it was positive, productive or unified for supporters of TZM. And so far ideas, regarding the link, haven't been interactive or progressive. I'm also feeling like it is not a safe community environment to be posting in because of your antagonist responses to most posts. You have aligned socialism with many things that it is not, creating an impression from me you have an agenda regarding your political beliefs. Not once have you given a sound argument of why socialism is bad. The first sentences in the link I provided by the World Socialist movement reads, 'Central to the meaning of socialism is common ownership. This means the resources of the world being owned in common by the entire global population.' How is this different from TZM?

    The objective here is to find common and opposite views in the link, thats the whole point of this thread. Its not up for negotiation and any post that sways away from its intent will get a repost such as below. So if you don't want to break the rules and bump the post don't sway from the topic at hand. Thanks in advance.

    Socialism Defined
    This link is for those wanting to find out the definition of socialism and what being a socialist is about. In my view this is a credible source. I would also encourage discussion on how many of their views are in line with TZM and which ones are not.


    What is Socialism? | World Socialist Movement
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    > You might want to be careful what you do here on the forum.

    What you mean there is actually a real moderator on the forum and it hasn't just been left to rot because no one can be bothered to actually do any work moderating here, because I haven't seen anyone moderate a lot of very extreme posts here which would normally see countless folk banned immediately if the forum had an active moderation team. ( Unless.. we have a more sympathetic moderation team than we have ever had before.. But I think its more likely there is just no one at the helm of the ship as we drift in the ocean of the internet. Lets hope we don't hit an iceberg ! )


    > Bumping threads goes against the forum rules.

    One persons bumping is another person adding debate to a discussion. ( Really is a lame rule that as countless other forums don't have that, folk can just add comments whenever they want to a thread, even if its a decade old and on one throws a hissy fit, or tries to make an excuse that we should stop talking about subject because its uncomfortable.. )


    Next your be calling them a troll no doubt.

    "Quick ban them, they are disagreeing with me!"

    I guess until anyone bothers to admin this forum, anyone is free to post anything they like.

    Well, until the payment for running the server runs out and it just stops working one day. :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I prefer using the dictionary.


    It doesn't explain the damage that socialism does to society.


    Why?


    What do you have against TZM and what is found on its site? Maybe it would be more suitable for something like this to go in the common objections section of the forum; right?


    Ok that seems fair; but keep in mind that a set of views and the definition for something is two different things. I would also suggest discussion of which ones conflict with TZM.
    This is nothing more than an example of being purposely confrontational....ThanKs Neil!!! ...NOT....
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    > being purposely confrontational....

    One persons purposely confrontational is another's reasoned debate. :-)

    Can be hard to see the difference at times.


    One can hope that someone who has a tendency towards being purposely confrontational (Which I think we are all rather guilty of to varying degrees without not necessarily being aware of it.) may in time evolve to less confrontational, as such I would suggest to try more of giving the person the benefit of the doubt.


    Though having said that, I have seen folk who for decades have been thoroughly confrontational.... and have not changed !


    You also have to consider that someone may be acting as an abuser type personality, where they switch from nice to nasty and back again in an effort to keep someone in a relationship, rather than just nasty all the time.


    And another aspect to consider is 'mobbing':

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

    Where people who might otherwise be perfectly nice in their debating style, can be encouraged in a group setting to pick on the weakest.

    Some might even call that peer pressure.

    Something you can notice in moderators of forums for example, where power can go to their heads and they can become quite nasty individuals, but as soon as they lose their moderators power, can become a normal nice person again !

    I dare say the same thing happens to politicians, CEO's and managers..

    Or even heads of households. :-)


    As such, I urge that we try and stick to:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication

    And that is something we all have to think about, as it can be so easy to fall into bad habits and behave less than ideal towards others when debating theories/solutions/etc.
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