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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post

    Games can also be plugged into robots, so via telepresence, we could go from people playing games, to people working remote machines doing the hard work that no one wants to do..
    haha... we had a plan here to build a telepresence robot that can pull weeds in a garden from anywhere in the world, some people here may remember. unfortunately we never did it but it was nice to imagine.
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    > unfortunately we never did it but it was nice to imagine.

    We can try again, or at least I can.

    No more relying on teams of people to develop projects, when you can't get teams, I can do it all !

    Might take me a while though, being solo N' all.

    Not sure what my first telepresence robot will do, perhaps when players are picking daisies they are in reality, picking up the dog poo in the garden, a job no one likes to do !

    Now if I could fit a tractor beam to it, I won't have to worry about keeping it clean..


    > World's first sonic tractor beam


    All it takes to build something from your imagination is an awful lot of time, and resources.

    Ideally we should all choose some pet RBE like project and work on it, year after year, eventually one or more of us will reach our goals, and we'll be that much nearer our goal.

    I've a few projects to complete before I venture into robots.

    It's either that, or wait for the rest of the world to do it for us. :-)

    I dunno about you, but I've tired of waiting !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Yes, of course! It improves the quality of the goods and services and makes them less expensive when providers have to compete for your business. Right now we don't have free-market competition for healthcare, which is why it's becoming more expensive and its quality is being negatively impacted. That's what can happen to any good or service, not just healthcare.

    Why not? Explain.
    You don't see a Huge problem start to develop here when we begin to Commodify Everything that we Need to be healthy? Things that if people can't afford, will contribute to a drastic reduction in the quality of their lives and hence Society at large. I know the Free-Market wants Everything to be for sale but that would only work if there was no Poverty. The more proponents of Free-Market theory profit from this system the Less the people below them have, to be able to afford Necessities. Free-Market proponents should be pushing for a system where people can make a decent wage so they can afford Everything their selling. Trying to Profit off of things like Water, Housing, Education, Healthcare etc... is only going to make things worse for those at the bottom who barley make enough to afford what they can. But now they want to charge for something that Should be a Fundamental Human Right in the first place on top of everything else they already have to pay for??

    You see how things can only get worse here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Yes, of course! It improves the quality of the goods and services and makes them less expensive when providers have to compete for your business. Right now we don't have free-market competition for healthcare, which is why it's becoming more expensive and its quality is being negatively impacted. That's what can happen to any good or service, not just healthcare.


    Why not? Explain.
    Because the so-called free market (pyramid scheme) has brought us to the place we find our selves today, with capitalism running amok, capitalists doing very well, while the rest of humanity struggle along, still waiting for their 'trickle down' to begin.....

    ...and BTW; the Free Market was never Free and never has been free, not for the majority of people. Despite the rhetoric we often hear,,,,WORDS do have meaning, but quite often, they only mean what our Master say they mean....

    ...and the sheep continue to follow along.....
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    > Free-Market proponents should be pushing for a system where people
    > can make a decent wage so they can afford Everything their selling.

    Something like Universal Basic Income ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > are you designing the game and looking for input or are you thinking that a game would be a good thing to create?

    Building said game, once the barebones of something is up and running, then I'll ask for input from everyone here to steer the design to be as accurate as possible in a quest to study how we might get humans to transition to a better future.

    RBE simulator if you will, though could easily be World Socialist Movement simulator too, and a capitalist one!

    The point is that any feature someone wants included so we can test X, Y, or Z aspect of RBE/Socialism/Capitalism/etc. I can build into it, so we aren't limited to current games that just give a single view of their universe, we can adjust it.

    For example, one game I played, had spaceships, but no postal service !

    Luckily I was able to engineer a solution using the ingame items to make a functional post office service, but it was certainly not part of the original game design !


    Games can also be plugged into robots, so via telepresence, we could go from people playing games, to people working remote machines doing the hard work that no one wants to do..

    If the game is also designed to have an API that allows AI access, then in time folk could design software that works the machines, so we don't have to do anything. :-)

    I can see it as a stepping stone to one day being able to build things, rather than us just all sit around talking about it for another decade.

    Plus it might be fun too. :-)

    And we will probably learn things about how humans work together and adjust our theories of solutions accordingly when we find out X and Y don't work, but Z does !
    This sounds like a great idea, not sure in what capacity I could add to this but would love to be kept in the loop so to speak. Keep me posted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    The mission of TZM is to promote the application of the scientific method for social concern. Socialism has a far worse track record of accomplishing such a goal than free-market capitalism, so either socialism doesn't provide a way to pursue that mission, or it has some other mission. TZM and socialism have nothing meaningful in common; socialism is not what I think qualifies as a related organization.
    Around the 8min mark is where your whole theory comes crashing down.

    https://youtu.be/Rhsx1z_aTc8?t=231
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Are you talking about the greek meaning of the word democracy, or how it is in practice?

    Because in practice it's very different from the dictionary. in practice a democracy is a way for the elite to rule over people while giving them the illusion that they're in charge. is it a surprise they want to "spread democracy" so much?
    please explain why they are so eager to spread democracy?

    there was never a true democracy practiced anywhere in the world. picking your leader every 4 years is a democracy? first of all i don't want a leader, never voted in my life. second the elite is choosing our leaders, all you can do is pick between the two, and even then
    the minute they're in office they do what they want without asking for your permission.

    TZM is not against a true democracy providing that it isn't corrupted by money and propaganda.
    In long run though, TZM agenda is to assign decision making to machines or other form of objective metric using the scientific method, therefore to bypass humans altogether,
    You really need to go and discover the true nature of a democracy before talking on this subject much more. Some basic you tube videos should help you out here. Or even house of cards could give you a better understanding.
    You don't pick between two candidates in a democracy, you seek a representative in your local area to represent you in government. This presidential thing is carrying too much weight for the positive and negative returns it is providing in your society. Look to see what your local representative is doing for your local community. This is where the real change happens!!

    Who is your leader? The World Socialist Movement doesn't have a leader, and nor do any of the Companion Parties, because leadership is undemocratic. If there are leaders, there must be followers: people who just do what they are told.

    In the World Socialist Movement, every individual member has an equal say, and nobody tells the rest what to do. Decisions are made democratically by the whole membership, and by representatives or delegates. If the membership doesn't like the decisions of those it elects, those administrators can be removed from office and their decisions overridden.

    Only when people have real, democratic control over their own lives will they have the freedom that is socialism.
    So by the sounds of it the WSM would see the person you vote in as a representative as well!!
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    spinout...While you are describing precisely the form of Government we have in the U.S. ..it is NOT a Democracy, nor was it ever intended to be a Democracy.

    The FEAR of MOB RULE gave us the type of government practiced today....

    ...and What we have is a "Representative Republic"......whereby we select/elect someone else to do our 'thinking' for us.....:roll eyes: .... a purposely designed 'inactive' role for the people....What a JOKE that's been played on us, heh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    Around the 8min mark is where your whole theory comes crashing down.

    https://youtu.be/Rhsx1z_aTc8?t=231
    There's nothing there that does anything of the sort. The only thing I can imagine you're referring to is when PJ's trying to answer a question someone asked by talking about ways to increase efficiency that might be used, by applying what he refers to as "these old socialist ideas in a high tech way". I'm fine with ideas that are practical & efficient ideas that some like to describe as socialist, such as the state owning and operating the highway system. PJ's probably essentially referring to the type of thing that has been used to describe TVP & TZM as communism with robots. The key words here are "with robots" or "in a high tech way", because that's not the same as getting things from someone somewhere exerting manual labor to produce it. If that's the best you can find, then my "theory" (as you put it) is in perfectly sound condition.

    Instead of trying to come to this forum to spread socialism, why not go to socialist forums to spread TZM awareness? I'm here on this message board discussing TZM stuff and posting Jacque Fresco clips all the time; what have you done on behalf of TZM?

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