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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    such as Ron Paul, Rand Paul,
    Rand Paul isn't the same as his father Ron Paul. I actually admired Ron more than Rand.
    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." - Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    It's not one person, it's many that range from economists such as Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, individuals who have entered politics to oppose bigger & establishment government such as Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, and Governor Jesse Ventura, individuals in media such as John Stossel and Judge Andrew Napolitano, and others such as Penn Jillette, Sheriff Richard Mack, Julie Borowski, Adam Kokesh, Peter Schiff, and Michael Shermer. I consider Jacque Fresco to be very libertarian, given that he's the one who says things such as that politicians aren't trained to solve problem & the solution to society's problems are not political; that's some pretty hard-core libertarian stuff (go up to any libertarian and say that, and see if they disagree with it).

    One very libertarian individual who served as a state representative in New Hampshire was also interested in TZM. I met him in person at LPAC 2014 and recorded an interview with him for a small libertarian conservative organization podcast (only one I've ever done), because I lived nearby and was asked. The podcast was cut down to less than 23 minutes long, but I spent I think over 3 hours having a conversation with him and recording every word of it (with his knowledge). We discussed a variety of things besides the Q & A stuff for the podcast, but what I've never mentioned to anyone (until now, as far as I know) is that he would keep asking me more about TZM. Unfortunately he has passed away from cancer, aged 34. I was shocked and saddened to find out that he had cancer and didn't know about it until I found out that he had passed away. You can still see him listed as a Facebook friend of mine and I'll always consider him to be my libertarian friend who was interested in TZM. His name: Shem Kellogg. He told me that he found out about TZM when he attended a meetup get-together event a while ago with a friend, I think (I might have it in the recording). He was also a mod on RPF who went by the user name Shemdogg, then Muzzled Dogg (unfortunately the only evidence I can find right now showing that he was supportive of TZM): The New American/JBS vs. Zeitgeist and the Venus Project

    There are so many other libertarians out there that would probably take me hours to find most of them just to list them.


    I'll bet they are grossly outnumbered by the growing number of progressive minds, and that all of them will eventually collect social security benefits when they become eligible.... if they haven't already....?

    Didn't Ayn Rand Collect govmnt bennies after all her books were written?

    There remains a 'few' things left to admire about Libertarianism, I can admit that.....but there's far too few to adopt it on any kind of grand scale, "too many people suffer when some have it exceptionally well"..... And it's adoption still can only result in a 'classist' society, therefor a divisive one and one subject to corruption... A form of society..like we already have, no?.....a society I personally have no further taste for....

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Rand Paul isn't the same as his father Ron Paul. I actually admired Ron more than Rand.
    They each have their trade-offs at one level or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    I'll bet they are grossly outnumbered by the growing number of progressive minds,
    They are the progressive minds.

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    and that all of them will eventually collect social security benefits when they become eligible.... if they haven't already....?
    So? It's the government giving something back to them that was taken from them in the first place. What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Didn't Ayn Rand Collect govmnt bennies after all her books were written?
    Probably. I don't know if I consider her a libertarian; I probably agree with her about many things, but there are some things she has said that I find rather repugnant.

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    There remains a 'few' things left to admire about Libertarianism, I can admit that.....but there's far too few to adopt it on any kind of grand scale, "too many people suffer when some have it exceptionally well"..... And it's adoption still can only result in a 'classist' society, therefor a divisive one and one subject to corruption... A form of society..like we already have, no?.....a society I personally have no further taste for....
    Yes, corruption cannot be absolutely eliminated; is that a reason for making something that allows for far more corruption? Unless we want corruption, we can only do what minimizes it.

    I think the problem of divisiveness comes from envy, but there are things in life far worse than not being in a more desirable economic class and not being in a situation where someone somewhere is envious. I'd rather be in the lowest economic class but have a job, a home, be able to make ends meet, etc. than try to force and squeeze everyone into the same economic class where there are almost no jobs, homelessness is a big problem, and few are able to make ends meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    They are the progressive minds.


    So? It's the government giving something back to them that was taken from them in the first place. What's your point?


    Probably. I don't know if I consider her a libertarian; I probably agree with her about many things, but there are some things she has said that I find rather repugnant.


    Yes, corruption cannot be absolutely eliminated; is that a reason for making something that allows for far more corruption? Unless we want corruption, we can only do what minimizes it.

    I think the problem of divisiveness comes from envy, but there are things in life far worse than not being in a more desirable economic class and not being in a situation where someone somewhere is envious. I'd rather be in the lowest economic class but have a job, a home, be able to make ends meet, etc. than try to force and squeeze everyone into the same economic class where there are almost no jobs, homelessness is a big problem, and few are able to make ends meet.
    I don't think even Libertarians can call themselves 'Progressive' without fidgeting .....The term may have been usurped by sinister people though.....Much like how TRUMP Fans took over and then eliminated the 'true' meaning of the word 'populist' when clearly, neither he or his supporters are nowhere close to populists...in thinking, behaving or the actions taken or not taken.....

    Folks need to start READING some History.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    I don't think even Libertarians can call themselves 'Progressive' without fidgeting .....
    Good point; they might be mistaken for self-proclaimed "progressives".

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    The term may have been usurped by sinister people though.....
    Ok, fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Much like how TRUMP Fans took over and then eliminated the 'true' meaning of the word 'populist' when clearly, neither he or his supporters are nowhere close to populists...in thinking, behaving or the actions taken or not taken.....
    Seems subjective.

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Folks need to start READING some History.....
    I completely agree.

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