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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I showed that Jacque Fresco practices free-market capitalism & that makes him a capitalist. You cannot just say that he's not a capitalist, after I just showed that he is, without being absurd.
    Yes, I agree, he does practice capitalism (& that does make him a capitalist). The Venus Project is incorporated (The Venus Project Inc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by auravana View Post
    In concern to myself, I have never been a member of TVP. Neither, to my knowledge has Farid. Nothing we have posted has been the direct work of TVP (to my knowledge). We spent a lot, and I mean a lot, of time and effort creating the images we have created. And, Steven black, to my knowledge never got to see anything that was special and wasn't public.
    This is all new to me; i honestly thought you were all former members judging by the letters, and i also thought you copy/pasted the designs. sorry about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by auravana View Post
    You have a lot of posts on here, and so, if that is what you think I should do (remove everything that resembles TVP work...now and into the future), including all the work that went into creating all of these open and public domain images, then maybe I will
    you're kidding right? LOL , i'm not an authority on anything, i'm a rabid anarchist who is against any type of control, censorship or management from above, i can barely take care of my own household.
    Only thing i did in this thread was to defend the venus project against attacks from all kind of places, and i will continue to do that.
    why don't you talk to Roxanne directly and ask her to what degree the rendering should be changed to be considered original. i know Roxanne and i'm sure she'll listen and give you advice. remember that Jacques and Roxanne have been doing this kind of stuff for many many years, and we can all learn something from their wisdom.

    all organizations are corrupt to some degree including TVP, but they are human beings; you can always talk to them. my intuition tells me that what bothers them is the lack of appreciation to their own work. they spent something like 50 years on their journey to make the world a better place, and sometimes just saying thank you is enough to soften them. personally i would either put a disclaimer on some of the renderings (particularly on page 1 in your link) "inspired by the venus project". or i would just create new pictures that don't resemble them so much. its only my suggestion , and obviously you can do whatever you want.

    As for myself, although i've met Roxanne, Jacques and peter Joseph, i never considered myself a member of either TZM or TVP, though i support both of them equally; for me they are the same organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by auravana View Post
    Yes, of course I know that Jacque is not a capitalist. What I was sort of getting at is that he created TVP when the idea of open source didn't even exist in the public's mind. It didn't become a "thing", really, in the public's mind until the 2000s. By that time Jacque would have been entirely fixed in his ways. If he was young now, and in his prime, I think the organization would be open source. But, as people age, change becomes hard and they tend to become more and more rigid, which can be damaging to themselves and those around them. It is Jacque's rigidity and the disciple nature of the organization that Roxanne has created around herself that is most damaging (which, is only my opinion).
    I agree with you about Jacques being close minded about open source. remember, the guy was born in 1916.
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    As a species; Do we really want to advance, to evolve, to become fully Human? One cannot be certain based on the direction of this discussion and some of the insights revealed ....

    Should we not be advocating for a world without copyrights and other such nonsense? Isn't 'everything' we can create/produce/imagine based or rooted on someone else's efforts or ideas from the past? Shouldn't ideas be FREE?

    Isn't it all just 'rehash'.....?

    (as for JF being under appreciated....We can't take that seriously....the Guy's been treated like a God by multitudes of fans for decades....mostly deservedly and sometimes not so much...Like someone said.....Feet of Clay )
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    As a species; Do we really want to advance, to evolve, to become fully Human? One cannot be certain based on the direction of this discussion and some of the insights revealed ....
    But wait, we are far from prefect only Human remember droneBEE ..

    I suggest that we should clarify something. Capitalist are those who back-up the System by embracing its tenets. While Crapitalist are those who participate just to make a living. Which one are you?

    On the subject of TVP. I do agree about them 'protecting' the name & work put in over so many years and just being cautious on how that project is being presented. But at the same time, it can also slow down progress & backfire because it keeps these ideas in a more esoteric place. Like HAL9000 mentioned there should Always be at least Open-Communication between Groups. This should be one of our Core-Values we must also never forget because then we are just settling to "agree" to disagree.
    Last edited by Ernest; 08-14-2016 at 07:49 PM.
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    There's two points (or more?) of view in conflict here. Either 'everything' is perfect or 'nothing' is perfect. Because life itself is in a constant state of evolution I personally tend to lean toward the 'nothing' is perfect side.....especially when discussing humans.....and our wasted potential.....just in case no one else has noticed...

    And as far as humans go.....most of us don't even try, we can't be bothered......most are simply content to go shopping.....fooling ourselves into believing we are living beings....

    Please my friends......How long ago did Jesus roam, or Muhammed, the Buddha, Gandhi or MLK....or the many other remembered and long forgotten Philosophers who we love to claim as our heroes but just can;t seem to get their message right?

    Is it because we're unable (un-evolved) or just because we don't really want to? Is it just too hard to collectively band together to do GOOD in the World, without competing?

    Is this our collective curse, to have all this wisdom available to us but simply ignore it in favor of some 'new' plan or idea that can then be copyrighted and profited from? Really?

    Please....gimmi a break....
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    Well, this conflict with the Venus Project appears to have come to an end. If you would like a full-brief of the event and our lessons learned, then please see our updated conflict resolution webpage:
    http://auravana.com/conflict-resolution
    ^We have learned a lot, I highly recommend reading it.

    As a show of good faith to The Venus Project we did in fact end up censoring most of the images that we created ourselves and posted to our Flickr page:
    http://auravana.com/photos

    HAL9000, I took your suggestion and asked The Venus Project Inc. if we could keep the images and add a disclaimer on some of the renderings saying something to the effect of, "Inspired by the venus project".
    They did not respond and have ignored my request. "They" appear completely uninterested in talking to us. This sort of behavior is not making the world a better place.

    Inspiring people and then cutting off their ability to share that inspiration in their own way (so that they are de-energized/de-motivated) is extremely damaging, and one could say that it is worse than not having ever been inspired, because it generates a sense of hopelessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auravana View Post
    They did not respond and have ignored my request. "They" appear completely uninterested in talking to us. This sort of behavior is not making the world a better place.
    Wow!!! what the heck happened to these guys? I'm disappointed and will reconsider my support to them. good luck with your project you seem like great guys.
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    Warm regards to The Auravana Project

    It's definitely time to move beyond Fresco, as well as pay respects to the people who Jacque took ideas from as well. Let's advance ourselves as Designers, Inventors, Innovators, and be our own leaders, and support each other as fellow leaders.

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    its corny w/ leaders

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    Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Lifee View Post
    its corny w/ leaders
    "A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way." - John C. Maxwell

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