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    Some perhaps interesting related links:

    Comparison HP 9845 vs. Apple II and Commodore PET 2001
    > Comparison HP 9845 vs. Apple II and Commodore PET 2001

    Steve Jobs and the Commodore PET - The Silicon Underground
    > Steve Jobs and the Commodore PET
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    > I'm still flabbergasted that facebook didn't fall off a cliff into obscurity.

    Likewise !

    I try to study and understand what makes Facebook so successful, and what might make something else more successful.
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    > Solar is still too expensive.

    Solar has been cheap enough for a while now. (As in decade+)

    For example, a year+ ago I got myself some lightweight ( 6kg ) 200w of solar panels for 220 including postage from Ebay.

    Next year, if I make them myself, I could have something lighter with 50% more power output for the same price.


    Example of German car:


    > Solar Car GT "SolarWorld GT

    UK built solar vehicle from 1979:
    FIRST SOLAR ROAD CAR ALAN FREEMAN 1979

    Now there is no reason why that last design could not have been mass produced and by now have evolved to the German version.


    Now the UK did try a little with small electric vehicles in the 1980's, one example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EQetm_qWDg
    > Sinclair C5 (original TV advert)

    Why did that not continue, and by now we would have the C10 car version..

    It seems they over reached themselves, going into production with the need to produce 50,000 vehicles a month to break even, but instead only selling 10,000 vehicles.

    Not an uncommon problem I've seen with businesses.

    Now if they had started with a small production amount, then I reckon they could have kept going and still be around today.

    So, could someone succeed with a low cost solar vehicle today if one was made, perhaps I reckon. :-)

    At the very least, I'd end up with one myself !


    So where does anyone think they went wrong in the past re. electric and/or solar vehicles ?

    Simply the price ?

    Or some design mistakes ?

    I reckon a bit of both myself, as I see some mayor design mistakes that need correcting.
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    > Are we really that hopeless?

    Sadly it would appear so.

    I guess that is how evolution works.

    A very slow process, that could in theory be improved considerably if only people would work together more in teams to solve problems.
    (Which sadly is why capitalism works, taking advantage of our natural tendencies in a way that overcomes our natural failings.)

    But I have seen examples of people cooperating in groups, so I know its possible, I just don't know how to replicate it, as I don't understand enough of why one group of people get together and make something happen, whilst another group of seemingly similar people do not.

    I have noticed a few common elements, but await more experimental data before I can be sure those really are important aspects or just coincidence.

    But if those common elements are correct, that throws up even bigger problems of replicating those variables as many of them are politically incorrect !
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    > In 2006, Myspace was the thing everyone was into. Facebook was plain and boring and pretty much useless. So how did Facebook come out on top?

    A good question, I wish I knew the answer to it !

    Maybe Myspace did something wrong ?

    Related link:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhar...-beat-myspace/
    > How Facebook Beat MySpace

    Sadly the article doesn't appear very accurate..

    > The founders kept pushing the technology to do anything users wanted.
    >] If you have an idea for networking on something, Facebook pushed its
    > tech folks to make it happen.

    Actually they are very bad at listening to what users want !

    And when they implement things, their tech folk are not particularly skilled at making it work well.

    Which kinda sums up most companies..

    Or even organisations !

    Yet, still, they are the market leader, even with their faults !


    So, did MySpace do an even worse job of management ?


    I suppose its the kind of question one might ask about TVP/TZM, is their lack of success compared to what it could be, simply down to poor management ?

    And is their success, being the best known RBE examples, due because their management is better than the competition ?

    If so, what has TVP/TZM done right ?

    Apart from perhaps, keeping a web forum going 24/7. :-)


    I remember TVP had a web forum before TZM..

    But they kept closing it and losing the message base, and everyone had to start again from scratch when a new one started up.. (Kinda like TZM too..)
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    From the above link:

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    And that's the nature of White Space management. No rules. Not really any plans.] No forecasting markets. Or foretelling uses. No trying to be smarter than the users to determine what they shouldn't do. Not prejudging ideas so as to limit capability and focus the business toward a projected conclusion To the contrary, it was about adding, adding, adding and doing whatever would allow the marketplace to flourish. Permission to do whatever it takes to keep growing. And resource it as best you can - without prejudice as to what might work well, or even best. Keep after all of it. What doesn't work stop resourcing, what does work do more.
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    That sounds awfully like what we are all doing here now, doesn't it !


    Other snippet from the above article, that I think is worth copying because of its usefulness:

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    Unfortunately, MySpace demonstrates a big fallacy of modern management. The belief that smart MBAs, with industry knowledge, will perform better. That "good management" means you predict, you forecast, you plan, and then you go execute the plan. Instead of reacting to market shifts, fast, allowing mistakes to happen while learning what works, professional managers should be able to predict and perform without making mistakes. That once the bright folks who create the strategy set a direction, its all about executing the plan. That execution will lead to success. If you stumble, you need to focus harder on execution. Probably get a new President who understands execution - in a more brutal way.
    When managing innovation, including operating in high growth markets, nothing works better than White Space. Giving dedicated people permission to do whatever it takes, and resources, then holding their feet to the fire to demonstrate performance. Letting dedicated people learn from their successes, and failures, and move fast to keep the business in the fast moving water. There is no manager, leader or management team that can predict, plan and execute as well as a team that has its ears close to the market, and the flexibility to react quickly, willing to make mistakes (and learn from them even faster) without bias for a predetermined plan.

    The penchant for planning has hurt a lot of businesses. Rarely does a failed business lack a plan. Big failures - like Circuit City, AIG, Lehman Brothers, GM - are full of extremely bright, well educated (Harvard, Stanford, University of Chicago, Wharton) MBAs who are prepared to study, analyze, predict, plan and execute. But it turns out their crystal ball is no better than - well - college undergraduates.
    When it comes to applying innovation, use White Space teams. Drop all the business plan preparation, endless crunching of historical numbers, multi-tabbed Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint matrices. Instead, dedicate some people to the project, push them into the market, make them beg for resources because they are sure they know where to put them (without ROI calculations) and tell them to get it done - or you'll fire them. You'll be amazed how fast they (and your company) will learn - and grow.
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    White Space Teams reminds me of many of the TZM offshoots, such as RBEF for example. (And even TZM in the early days, when it was an offshoot of TVP!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    Some perhaps interesting related links:

    Comparison HP 9845 vs. Apple II and Commodore PET 2001
    > Comparison HP 9845 vs. Apple II and Commodore PET 2001
    Apple $1,298 (4 kByte Version)
    Commodore $795 (8 kByte version)

    Apple was an overpriced piece of crap back then too it seems.

    What a whiner he was. He wanted to patent rounded corners too and claimed samsung stole the idea. Geez... share a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > I'm still flabbergasted that facebook didn't fall off a cliff into obscurity.

    Likewise !

    I try to study and understand what makes Facebook so successful, and what might make something else more successful.
    Well, you need to turn gay, move to a big city and study fashion. As long as you continue to think sensibly, you're going to be cleaning sidewalks and digging holes

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Solar is still too expensive.

    Solar has been cheap enough for a while now. (As in decade+)

    For example, a year+ ago I got myself some lightweight ( 6kg ) 200w of solar panels for 220 including postage from Ebay.

    Next year, if I make them myself, I could have something lighter with 50% more power output for the same price.
    If we figure 10 cents per KWH, then $250 would buy 12,500 hours (520 days) of 200 watts. Solar doesn't work at night, so we can double the number of days to 1000. Then if we factor cloudy days, we can probably double it again to 2000 days. So, it would take 5.5 years before break-even on the purchase... and that's probably about the time it would stop working lol. Of course, I'm just guessing because I've never owned solar.

    Then I'm assuming there are some inefficiencies in DC/AC conversion + the cost and replacement of batteries. And if solar is anything like amps, lights, and most electronics, the advertised 200 watts isn't a real 200 watts.

    If I ever got mixed up in solar, I'd have a fortune in it and wouldn't live to see break-even. Plus, I'd be limited on the power I could use and be constantly fixing stuff. It seems much easier to just pay the company to supply electricity. You know, delegation of responsibility. But solar has to come way down before it's attractive. Cut the price in half, at least. I'll be a buyer at $100 for 1000w.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    Example of German car:
    Are you sure you wouldn't prefer something more like this:



    I see why you're not picking up the chicks now
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