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    Hmmmm..I may be an old guy..but I can still speak for myself without any assumptive interpretations....

    Maybe you could/should just grow your own horseradish and find sour cream at a nearby dairy?....Horseradish is an easy one to get started, tough as hell and doesn't take up much space, and one small plot would provide you and yours with a lifetime of the stuff...... jus saying.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post

    Sure, those people have special skills, but they aren't that special.

    And even though Elon Musk is part of a select-few in class with Steve Jobs, he's still merely someone who was in the right place at the right time and had the right stuff. If he hadn't existed, someone else would be doing what he's doing.
    That is precisely right. Musk and others like him might be talented individuals but they are mere humans after all. some people see them almost like gods who perform miracles and their sh*t doesn't stink.

    At the end of the day those billionaires are people just like us who either benefited from privilege, nepotism, inheritance, corruption or pure luck. hard work and talent might help, but they are only part of the story.

    "Behind every fortune there is unsolved crime"

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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Hmmmm..I may be an old guy..but I can still speak for myself without any assumptive interpretations....

    Maybe you could/should just grow your own horseradish and find sour cream at a nearby dairy?....Horseradish is an easy one to get started, tough as hell and doesn't take up much space, and one small plot would provide you and yours with a lifetime of the stuff...... jus saying.....
    I've been planning to, just haven't made it that far I guess. My point was that it shouldn't take $1/4 mil of talent to hide the horseradish with the sour cream, butter, and eggs when it should be with the refrigerated pickles and lunchmeats.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    "Behind every fortune there is unsolved crime"
    That's a good one. I've been looking for the author of that maxim for a while now. Behind Every Great Fortune There Is a Crime | Quote Investigator

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    > If he hadn't existed, someone else would be doing what he's doing.

    That part isn't true !

    Unless you get someone in the right place at the right time, with the right abilities, then the thing that has potential to happen, just doesn't happen.


    There are numerous times in the past when the technology existed to do a certain thing, but because the right person was in the wrong place, it didn't happen.


    The internet I reckon is going to be one of our biggest tools to enable people to be more in the right place at the right time, even if they are in the wrong place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > If he hadn't existed, someone else would be doing what he's doing.

    That part isn't true !

    Unless you get someone in the right place at the right time, with the right abilities, then the thing that has potential to happen, just doesn't happen.

    There are numerous times in the past when the technology existed to do a certain thing, but because the right person was in the wrong place, it didn't happen.
    Can you name one?

    The electric car is nothing new and competition is fierce. Really, the only thing I can credit Musk for is thinking of the Tesla name because that's about the only novel thing I see.

    The first practical electric cars were produced in the 1880s.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car

    Same goes with Apple and Steve Jobs. Has Apple Really Ever Invented Anything? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0 The answer is yes... they invented the name Apple. So society should give them lots of money because they invented a name while the inventors of the products don't get recognized?

    Although Ford invented neither the automobile nor the assembly line,[1] he developed and manufactured the first automobile that many middle class Americans could afford. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

    There were 50 car companies making cars before Ford even got started. One guy, Alexander Winton, was already a pro-racer.

    Henry Ford's one and only race on October 10, 1901, in nearby Grosse Pointe, Michigan changed the world.

    It was that race, in which Mr. Ford upset Alexander Winton, the country's foremost racer, that allowed him to attract the publicity and investors to start the Ford Motor Company less than two years later in 1903. https://www.motorsport.com/automotiv...ctory-in-1901/

    So if Ford had lost that race, do you think only the rich would have cars today? Of course not. Someone else would have stumbled into the idea of making cheap cars.

    Meet the 26-Year-Old Hacker Who Built a Self-Driving Car... in His Garage



    Inventions don't emanate from a point, but many places around the same time because conditions are right for them, like apples on a tree.

    Einstein didn't invent relativity either. He was just the guy who figured out the math https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...ial-relativity

    No great feat really and surely someone else would have done it.



    Some folks may have been ahead of their time, like Newton and perhaps Tesla, but the vast majority were just lucky to get credit that really should have been shared among many people.

    If it should be a meritocracy where those that contribute to society are rewarded, then we have it all wrong.

    And now this angle:

    I swear, if you were a researcher at that place and you came up with a cure for cancer they would knife you and stick your body under six feet of cement in the cellar, where no one would ever find you. You would be putting them all out of a job. http://www.soilminerals.com/AgricolaII.htm

    Not only are people not getting recognition for what they invent, but how many inventions have been squashed because it was more lucrative not to have them?
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    > Has Apple Really Ever Invented Anything? The answer is yes... they invented the name Apple.

    There was this little thing called the Apple II..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II


    I'm reminded of solar cars, which in the 1960's, wasn't difficult to put one together, like this example that uses a 1918 electric car for its base:


    > Solar Car 1960

    So why aren't solar cars everywhere today ?

    Maybe its because the right person hasn't been in the right place at the right time..


    The same thing could be said for a better Facebook, where the technology for the most part has already existed for the last 30 years in a forgotten corner of the world, that few people know about, and the owners are never in the right place at the right time !

    Of course, it could just be, the wrong owners. :-)

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    > Inventions don't emanate from a point, but many places around the same time because conditions are right for them, like apples on a tree.

    Whilst there is truth in that, there is still the first time someone comes up with an idea/invention before anyone else.

    This is one of the reasons I'd be keen for something like Universal Basic Income, so that these first times are not lost and forgotten because the person who had them wasn't in the right place at the right time, but is more able to get the idea out there and make something happen.

    So we don't have to wait for a thousand people to have the same idea, and just one of them to be in the right place at the right time.

    But it isn't unusual for something, be it airships, or spaceplanes, which could have been built decades ago and would now be in common usage, to have just not got started, because of the lack of someone who is a kingpin to their starting point.

    Where would we be without PJ for example, or Fresco..

    I guess we would have had to relied upon the likes of PirateBay and Technocracy instead. :-)


    So, how do we get to the next level after PJ, who is it going to be ?


    What circumstances would enable a more widespread expansion of ideas to improve the world ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Has Apple Really Ever Invented Anything? The answer is yes... they invented the name Apple.

    There was this little thing called the Apple II..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II
    Most historians seem to agree that the Apple II was the first truly successful personal computer to be mass produced, though some will argue that the Commodore PET, which preceded the Apple II by five months. Sales figures are hard to come by for the Commodore PET, but they donít appear to be anywhere close to the Apple IIís cumulative sales, which topped out at six million before it was discontinued in 1993. 6 Things Apple Did Not Invent - Apple Gazette

    What apple invented was fashion. Commodore was cheap and had no advertising. Apple had a fruity name and lots of advertising.


    I'm reminded of solar cars, which in the 1960's, wasn't difficult to put one together, like this example that uses a 1918 electric car for its base:

    So why aren't solar cars everywhere today ?

    Maybe its because the right person hasn't been in the right place at the right time..
    Probably because technology hasn't evolved to create the right environment for someone to capitalize on solar. Solar is still too expensive. The fact that many have tried and failed is testament to that. When conditions are right, someone will succeed and consequently win the lotto because of it.


    The same thing could be said for a better Facebook, where the technology for the most part has already existed for the last 30 years in a forgotten corner of the world, that few people know about, and the owners are never in the right place at the right time !

    Of course, it could just be, the wrong owners. :-)
    In 2006, Myspace was the thing everyone was into. Facebook was plain and boring and pretty much useless. So how did Facebook come out on top? It's the name again... Zuckerberg vs Anderson. If you were a jewish banker, who would you prefer to give your money to? That's all I can figure.

    In 2006, you could find women on Myspace. You could search by interest, sign, age, sex, sexual orientation, distance, and oodles of other variables. With facebook, you couldn't search for anything; you had to already know the person in order to find them (yawn). I'm still flabbergasted that facebook didn't fall off a cliff into obscurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    So, how do we get to the next level after PJ, who is it going to be ?


    What circumstances would enable a more widespread expansion of ideas to improve the world ?
    Lots of people have to die. A whole generation must pass.

    That's what held Newton back and he even stated that people aren't ready yet.

    The baby boomers have to get out of the way with their dogmatisms just like religion had to get out of the way of science.

    Peter Joseph‏ @ZeitgeistFilm 8 Nov 2016 And my fav part if Trump wins: the point of realization when the poor, ignorant white masses realize he's not going to do anything for them.

    Paul James‏ @Clydite66 12 Nov 2016 that's the whole point white people dont want handouts we work for a living were not welfare lovers like liberals

    Peter Joseph‏ @ZeitgeistFilm I find sad amusement in how you sanctify your own oppression and exploitation, Paul.

    https://twitter.com/ZeitgeistFilm/st...04427653754880


    @Clydite66 would that be 1966??? Ok, maybe Gen X has to go as well.

    Eventually, conditions will be right for a new PJ to emerge and suddenly everyone will think he is a genius.

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    Yeah.....that's what humans seem to do best.....make silly plans and complain a lot while 'waiting' for some messiah to come along and save us all......:roll eyes:

    Are we really that hopeless?

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