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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    You don't see greed being instinct? What reasoning led you to that conclusion with such certainty?
    Well because I see Greed having no real purpose in life. Why would someone just acquire more of something that they really don't need to live? If you have what you Need, then everything else is just extra stuff from your own insecurities. Because that's basically what this System does to us. It makes us Vulnerable & Insecure from not having "enough". So I think it might feel instinctual but really just how we've been brought up to be in this land of Competition & the Unknown.
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    Only the GREEDY see GREED as normal or instinctual....as it confirms personal beliefs and justifies certain actions....
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    There is an instinct to outperform others on the areas which are deemed valuable by our peers. The driving force is attract the best mates.

    Now if this "area of value" is gauged by the amount of possessions you have, then greed is a natural expression of this instinct to outperform sexual competitors.

    Of course the "area of valuable skills" could be entirely different. It could be physical prowess, physical beauty, intellectual prowess, creativity, good spirit and humour, etc.. It's all about social values -- what is deemed impressive, nice, or respectable by others.
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    This is true until we find and attract that best mate, right? (Forty years with mine this year)....stopped looking for another ages ago......Gave me time for other things''''''

    I am a Lucky Man......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Well because I see Greed having no real purpose in life. Why would someone just acquire more of something that they really don't need to live? If you have what you Need, then everything else is just extra stuff from your own insecurities. Because that's basically what this System does to us. It makes us Vulnerable & Insecure from not having "enough". So I think it might feel instinctual but really just how we've been brought up to be in this land of Competition & the Unknown.
    Why do children need to be taught to share?

    Greed seems to be instinctual because there has never been an abundance of anything during the millions of years of evolution. Survival of the fittest means the fattest greedily eats all the food leaving the weakest to starve, which is considered good by evolutionary biologists because it gives direction to evolution (the good traits survive and the bad ones die), but is considered bad in the human context.

    If there were an abundance of food, then we would be overrun with critters because there would be no mechanism to restrain their population (other than senescence) nor any way to decide which traits are best for survival since survival is guaranteed through abundance.

    With abundance, perhaps there would exist creatures such as the Jabba the Hutt character from Star Wars which is not much more than a gullet through which food falls into a belly.


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    The above deserves no response.....the claims, assumptions, generalizations and complete BS are simply too ridicules for one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Why do children need to be taught to share?
    Because the Scarcity affect begins early in life. When we are Babies, studies have shown that we hold a lot of Compassionate, Altruistic propensities.

    I believe every Healthy Human is Born with these type of feelings. And if you are Born with some varying propensities and/or your Environment begins to alter these Natural Healthy propensities, then that's when you start seeing that certain things need to be 'taught' again.

    But it makes sense to me that we are Born with these type of propensities because they would help us in developing & holding Strong Social Bonds that will increase our chances of Survival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Because the Scarcity affect begins early in life. When we are Babies, studies have shown that we hold a lot of Compassionate, Altruistic propensities.

    I believe every Healthy Human is Born with these type of feelings. And if you are Born with some varying propensities and/or your Environment begins to alter these Natural Healthy propensities, then that's when you start seeing that certain things need to be 'taught' again.

    But it makes sense to me that we are Born with these type of propensities because they would help us in developing & holding Strong Social Bonds that will increase our chances of Survival.
    Agreed; we are born altruistic, albeit 'needy' as babes IMO....then, rather abruptly and almost immediately we are entrenched and inundated into the capitalists mindset....

    Yep....place the kids in front of the TV and they soon become little tyrants and BIG consumers...."if" the parents have no common sense or backbone....and are not BIG consumers themselves...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Because the Scarcity affect begins early in life. When we are Babies, studies have shown that we hold a lot of Compassionate, Altruistic propensities.
    Any links to those studies?

    I remember a show on one of those Discovery channels way back when... They had stuffed animals sitting around a table each holding a different colored sucker. A baby was seated at the table and they found that the baby instinctively "hated" the stuffed animals holding suckers it didn't like.

    I can't find that video, but here is one very similar. This time they found that babies want to see the stuffed animal punished that does not like the same crackers.



    We are born to hate and must learn to overcome it. The evidence indicates that you have it backwards.

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    WYSIATI

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