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    Just thought of a rebuttal to monetary capitalist's

    that may just be Von Misian in its proportions.

    I haven't released it yet. I have been busy with other stuff.

    If my observation is correct I may be arming the RBE movement with a response to monetary capitalist's from which they cannot recover or combat.

    I want to wait before posting here until after I have formally released through other online sources.

    Fingers crossed.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

    "They who decry the loss of masculinity the loudest, are certain of it in themselves the least."

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    Rebuttal to specifically what Von Misian monetary capitalist proportions?

    What the "RBE movement" needs to do is provide evidence, proof, something to show - not rebuttals to what probably boils down to figurative arm wrestling over semantics with Von Misians.

    Referencing to evidence is what the Von Misians do (I'm actually basically one of them); we say "look, here's what they tried over in state capitalist nations like the Soviet Union or this place or that place with state capitalism; see what happened with them? Long bread lines, empty store shelves, etc. Now look over here, where things are not done with state capitalism; we always have plenty of stuff on the store shelves, higher standard of living & quality of life, etc."

    The Von Misians' opponents are the state capitalists & I don't see the point in getting the "RBE movement" involved with coming up with rebuttals to the Von Misians or being advocates for state capitalism. The "RBE movement" does not advocate state capitalism, because it advocates moving away from all forms of capitalism in general.

    When folks within the "RBE movement" get into portraying state capitalism as part of the "RBE movement" tenets, all that does is make TZM, TVP, or any other RBE advocates or movements appear to be advocating state capitalism to those not familiar with TZM, TVP, etc.

    TZM originally started out as the activist branch of TVP, and what TVP emphasizes is the application of the scientific method for social concern, implementation of automation, robotics, and other advancements in technology.

    "Politicians are not trained to solve problems."
    "The solution to society's problems are technical, not political."

    These are statements that Jacque Fresco has actually made. The Von Misians essentially hold positions that are very similar to these kinds of statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Rebuttal to specifically what Von Misian monetary capitalist proportions?

    What the "RBE movement" needs to do is provide evidence, proof, something to show - not rebuttals to what probably boils down to figurative arm wrestling over semantics with Von Misians.

    Referencing to evidence is what the Von Misians do (I'm actually basically one of them); we say "look, here's what they tried over in state capitalist nations like the Soviet Union or this place or that place with state capitalism; see what happened with them? Long bread lines, empty store shelves, etc. Now look over here, where things are not done with state capitalism; we always have plenty of stuff on the store shelves, higher standard of living & quality of life, etc."

    The Von Misians' opponents are the state capitalists & I don't see the point in getting the "RBE movement" involved with coming up with rebuttals to the Von Misians or being advocates for state capitalism. The "RBE movement" does not advocate state capitalism, because it advocates moving away from all forms of capitalism in general.

    When folks within the "RBE movement" get into portraying state capitalism as part of the "RBE movement" tenets, all that does is make TZM, TVP, or any other RBE advocates or movements appear to be advocating state capitalism to those not familiar with TZM, TVP, etc.

    TZM originally started out as the activist branch of TVP, and what TVP emphasizes is the application of the scientific method for social concern, implementation of automation, robotics, and other advancements in technology.

    "Politicians are not trained to solve problems."
    "The solution to society's problems are technical, not political."

    These are statements that Jacque Fresco has actually made. The Von Misians essentially hold positions that are very similar to these kinds of statements.
    I hope to change your mind once I've released the rebuttal. It should only be a few weeks away...hopefully less, when I can wrestle some time away from other responsibilities.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

    "They who decry the loss of masculinity the loudest, are certain of it in themselves the least."

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