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    Interesting Statistics

    US Debt Clock

    World Population Clock

    Last I read there is currently enough gold and silver in the world, that if mined completely and distrusted equally would be about .9 oz of gold per person and about 4.1 oz of silver person.

    This is will only be less and less each year. A point I'm making there is that there is not much practical case for a return to the precious metals standard for currency. After finishing an economics class last year, and looking at the 1.4 trillion dollars of student loans in this country alone, and a rising national debt, I would wonder what kind of patchwork the government will continue to make to support this system. Interesting that the federal reserve has still not done much with interest rates. The Brexit story has created uncertainty in global markets and not sure if anyone was following but precious metal prices soared that day and have stayed relatively high.

    Capitalism is a peculiar system. I'm not sure the immediate absence of it would bring all of humanity to a higher path, as it still seems to serve a purpose. Staring at these clocks or statistics long enough makes one wonder how long these short-term fixes can be sustained. Raising minimum wages for fast-wood workers to $15 an hour and that sort of thing are ridiculous suggestions to fix the income shortage problems. If all fast-food workers had $15 an hour tomorrow, then the inflation would be out of control. Everything would just become more expensive.

    There are so many social issues going on right now, that in these last days of the Obama administration, I doubt there is a majority of popular thought considering these fundamental financial issues. Most of the time it seems like we are desensitized to the idea of a national debt being so high, for better or for worse. Money isn't everything, but in a system based on money, and a government that demands revenue from it's citizens based on tax collection and other avenues, the national debt stands as a symbol of hypocrisy.
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    Its all an elaborate illusion.....Capitalism as practice is nothing short of a Con Job played on us all.

    There's not enough gold, silver, oil....(or you name the resources).....anywhere on Earth..to pay back the debt...(or is it theft?) owed to the people of this world....by the capitalists....and those who promote its continuation....
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    Welcome anwiya! It's interesting how with a few simple stats you can prove that the capitalist system is unsustainable, yet those in power fail to see this or choose to ignore it. Perhaps your right that they're so busy trying to deal with the many worsening social issues that they can't even consider addressing the fundamental financial issues. This seems backwards to me, if more energy were put into discussing, designing and implementing a new system we would simply eliminate the social issues that are currently overwhelming us.

    I don't imagine on day one of your economic class you were eating popcorn and watching the Zeitgeist movie, but was the possibility of an alternative to capitalism even mentioned?
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    What I'd like to know from anwiya is this;

    Do modern Economic studies include a comprehensive assessment of Henry George and his philosophy (Progress and Poverty)?

    HG is ....perhaps.... the Worlds Greatest and definitely the most un-appreciated Economist to have lived.....the professors sure didn't mention him when I studied the 'dismal science'....back in the dinosaur days That took effort beyond schooling.....
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    Its all an elaborate illusion.....Capitalism as practice is nothing short of a Con Job played on us all.
    There's not enough gold, silver, oil....(or you name the resources).....anywhere on Earth..to pay back the debt...(or is it theft?) owed to the people of this world....by the capitalists....and those who promote its continuation....
    I don't understand why you have the need for an excessive use of the ellipses. Seems like the work of a con artist who favors the use of smoke and mirrors.

    I don't imagine on day one of your economic class you were eating popcorn and watching the Zeitgeist movie, but was the possibility of an alternative to capitalism even mentioned?
    No they don't teach watching an internet made documentary in college, when there is a steady syllabus with required textbooks.

    What I'd like to know from anwiya is this;
    You can speak for yourself with this condescending tone.



    I am not going to regularly be coming back on these forums. Now I remember why I do not as well. You are making this threat about a personal issue and my class, and that is extremely childish. I suggest you read from this recent article to keep the topic relevant- Federal Reserve under growing pressure to reform system, goals Keep the topic relevant and stop making it personal. I don't have for this trivial nonsense. Have fun with your "movement".

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    Wait what??

    We barely have begun this conversation and it looks like anwiya Never intended for it to be one?
    Why run away when people ask honest questions my friend. If you think they were attacking you then you misjudged them because attacking people is not something that people usually do here so it's probably better just to ignore something when you feel provoked/offended.
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    I just got the same impression......Oh well....."Thin Skin" is 'IN' these days......

    Have a good life anwiya....

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    I know that I've misunderstood messages (probably more times than I'm aware of) simply because it is hard to determine tone when reading what others write online. Anwiya, you have misunderstood the tone so far in this discussion. I deliberately made my post personal because I want to hear your point of view, this movement needs more points of view and new points of view. I found your original post genuinely interesting and intelligent, lets get a conversation going! This is your thread, what direction do you want it to go? If we can get it started I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised by the knowledge of the people here.
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    Why run away when people ask honest questions my friend
    Run away? You guys sure make a lot of assumptions about people. I have other things going on in my life. I rarely have time to check forums anymore. Btw where were you in the late 90s, when the it wasn't convenient on the internet with a dumbed down interface to create content?

    Thin Skin" is 'IN' these days......
    You really need to stop making assumptions. Thin skin? You are insinuating an argument now that could turn into race or ethnicity, I am not going to pander to that.

    I know that I've misunderstood messages (probably more times than I'm aware of) simply because it is hard to determine tone when reading what others write online. Anwiya, you have misunderstood the tone so far in this discussion. I deliberately made my post personal because I want to hear your point of view, this movement needs more points of view and new points of view.
    I haven't misunderstood anything. I have interpreted your replies as condescending at best. There is no room for misunderstanding, and I interpret your tone as I please. That's what human beings do.

    When this movement first began I interpreted it as a decent effort. Then finding there are some odds with that Fresco, whoever caused that I'm guessing Peter Joseph, is the culprit of moving backwards. Fresco is a real smart person and had a real life solution already in the works. I think losing him was a pretty stupid move. The reason from what I read that Venus project split from here, is apparently the same type of semantics arguments in these previous replies. I've been around a lot of idealists, political purist groups, and the such and people's vision of the perfect world often gives them tunnel vision. You become insensitive to human beings and the way things are now, because you, as it seems is the case here as well, are so focused on one possible future.

    Now what I interpret this movement as with new perspective is a decent goal, but flawed and not effective. For instance, this series of films- the first on especially makes a huge deal out of Abrahamic religion and religion in general. There is no downplaying it, I mean there is a suggestion that religion itself has been a formal conspiracy throughout the ages. I think that is ridiculous. I don't buy into conspiracies, and it takes an surmounting amount of evidence to prove an unbelievable claim.

    Besides that, even if religion is flawed, the movement fails to draw what positive forces came from religion and capitalism, or anything that got us to where we are now. You didn't come out of a forest in BCE Eurasia and have televisions and electricity, or the very internet that we are using to communicate. Slandering an entire religion or economic system as a whole is a bad move. For example, in the actual laws of Abrahamic religion, a person is not supposed to lend to another on interest. It is technically immoral according to the religion. Is this not the main problem we are facing today in Capitalism? The Federal Reserve and fractional banking system, which lends to people at very high interest rates? And interest rates that can virtually never be paid back. Yet the movement criticizes religion as a whole, when in actuality the laws of many religions would be in line with your goals. I've never seen anyone talk about that on here. Merely blaming religion as a whole, or trying to connect the dots to a formal conspiracy is not a smart way to get things moving. I don't work for this movement, and I'm not going to be back on here very often, but common sense would suggest religion is going to be around for a long time. It's not going anywhere anytime soon, and it would be best to draw positive elements from it. Otherwise, you are never going to reach people, and there are millions, perhaps billions of people who would not give up their religion, no matter what information you present them. I mean how will you guys ever really get on the mainstream information feed with type of presentation. People will label you as anti-Semitic and you will not get away with that.

    The world moves forward in intelligence and technology. Human beings progress, but it seems we always take two steps forward and one step back, or maybe two steps forward and two steps back. It doesn't seem to change at all. For every safety feature added on new automobiles, people just continue to drive less and less safe. Whatever the speed limit is, people will always drive a little faster than what they are supposed to. Whatever car they can afford to buy reasonably, they will almost always choose something a little beyond their means. Like I said, have fun with movement, but I feel this phase of my life in believing in idealism has mostly passed, and based on my observations, the way of the ages will continue to play out, which I interpret positively as a random sequence of entropy and on a good day humanity is linked by a vague collective consciousness. If humanity fails and we burn the world's resources beyond repair, then human beings will go extinct and the planet will still be here for a very long time. The worst that could happen, is the very humans who have supposedly ruined everything will be wiped out. I don't really worry about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anwiya View Post
    For instance, this series of films- the first on especially makes a huge deal out of Abrahamic religion and religion in general. There is no downplaying it, I mean there is a suggestion that religion itself has been a formal conspiracy throughout the ages. I think that is ridiculous. I don't buy into conspiracies, and it takes an surmounting amount of evidence to prove an unbelievable claim.
    The movement doesn't criticize religion at all, only the first movie did and its not part of the zeitgeist movement. peter joseph said many times that only the second and third films are relevant to the movement.
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