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    Quote Originally Posted by anwiya View Post
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    Perhaps I have a greater understanding of ethics than you do, to realize that in an imperfect system, people can remain ethical, believing in the free will of individual, the God given free-will if you are religious, or merely the free-will triumph over determinism in philosophy. Either way, the point was not to argue personally or say who is smarter than the other, and I believe this thread has come full circle now.

    So talking about the debt clock comes full circle with religion? And yet you have the audacity to proclaim that " you may have a better understanding", because oh yeah the person who is insecure about every posting from others is clearly the one who is wiser right?

    Anyway just my two cents.

    P.S. How you respond to my posts will show what you really are trying to do (post meaningful discussion) OR (just complain)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Religion is fine in a principled kind of way but all that really won't matter if the Socioeconomic Environment is influencing people to behave in contrast to that as all Religions & their followers demonstrate on a regular basis today. So I really don't see it as a Religious problem here but one of Mostly Economics that is influencing & shaping the way these established Institutions like Religion are being carried out. That's pretty much the way I feel about this area in general.


    I agree with this. Its never seemed right to me that the few people at the top of religions are wealthy while so many followers suffer and die unnecessarily. When we do achieve a money free society I wonder what religions will look like. Without the influence/obstacle of money I imagine these organizations that promote peace and love will play a positive roll in the transition.
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    All Institutions, despite apparent successes with an intended mission, end up self perpetuating, most often becoming a TOP/down entity and surviving beyond any usefulness ....until 'the people' grow tired of them and finally reject them....a rare occurrence...

    No institution is immune.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatDimov View Post
    Hello Anwiya,

    I'd like to apologize on behalf of the fellow people here who seem to be so incapable of treating you with the utmost respect you so clearly deserve. Time and again they have tried to communicate that they did not mean any harm and yet they clearly failed at this, as they are clearly just acting in condescending manners. Your presence here ought to be enough to make them feel empowered and inspired by your wise words, and of course anything you say is clearly light years beyond us all.

    So here is my humble attempt at trying to beseech thee oh great and wise Anwiya please do not make any more threads if even the slightest response that does not open up with some variation of "you are so smart" will trigger some kind of response from you that opens up with " you are all just so condescending". If you are this insecure then perhaps it's not the internet you need to spend time on.

    You mention being a former president tell me then now that you know of this movement and others like it, and you still have some influence in politics why not try to implement at least the stuff you agree with or is it simply too much work to strive for a better tomorrow? IS it just so much easier to lay back and point fingers at all the idealists as being in the land of fantasy? And to point fingers at all your naysayers as being condescending?
    At least you learned how to address someone superior to you. Good job you finally figured it out. I'm right. You're wrong. I don't have to prove anything anyway because this movement is never going to go anywhere. Have fun trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad* View Post
    When we do achieve a money free society I wonder what religions will look like. Without the influence/obstacle of money I imagine these organizations that promote peace and love will play a positive roll in the transition.
    This is very interesting to think about. I too wonder what will be the evolution of Religion in a different Socioeconomic Environment? I know it would have to change in some ways but I wonder how exactly that will take shape. Very interesting indeed ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    All Institutions, despite apparent successes with an intended mission, end up self perpetuating, most often becoming a TOP/down entity and surviving beyond any usefulness ....until 'the people' grow tired of them and finally reject them....a rare occurrence...

    No institution is immune.....
    This reminds so much of our so called Philanthropic Institutions/Individuals today. The Self-Perpetuating part is clearly evident with the amount of Wealth some of these Individuals have and Never use for some Real long-lasting effective results. Someone like Oprah Winfrey comes to mind.
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    I have a friend who work in a charity organization and his job is to raise money for disadvantage low income people. on the surface his job is admirable because he theoretically get money from the rich and give it to the poor , i used to call him robin hood.
    well, in reality when i start digging and asking him questions it turns out that his organization only give a small amount to the people that actually need the money. there is a lot of bureaucracy and like always the people on top get huge salaries.

    even worse, they're not really trying to solve the problem they're claiming to solve because if the problem were to be solved they all be unemployed. his organization also provide tax shelter for rich people further widening the gap between rich and poor.

    its all very strange because he's a great guy, but his organization is doing the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do.
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    @ Hal; working with various charities I too have experienced this kind of behavior for several decades....People making a living off the plight of the poor, the disabled and in particular, veterans....both secular organizations and those with a religious bent...TBH...it makes me physically ill....I've found some of them being led by some very unscrupulous people, and living quite well.....Its just another form of Capitalism IMHO

    "If one truly wishes to assist the less fortunate members of society, one must be willing to go where they are....where they live.....where they suffer.... "

    It amazes/boggles the mind to think of all the 'good intentions' gone astray in pursuit of a money driven livelihood AKA; JOB....
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    Quote Originally Posted by anwiya View Post
    At least you learned how to address someone superior to you. Good job you finally figured it out. I'm right. You're wrong. I don't have to prove anything anyway because this movement is never going to go anywhere. Have fun trolling.
    "Hey, Hey, You, you....Get off of my cloud" -Rolling Stones (1965)
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Its just another form of Capitalism IMHO
    Profiting from each others Poverty, Misery, Health, Vulnerability, Fear and the list goes on & on... all for what ? How long can the Planet sustain this way of life
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