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    Of coarse we can't know exactly when money (the 'valuable' paper kind) was created, but for the sake of this discussion lets assume it first appeared in a significant way around 10,000 years ago. The introduction of money into our world changed how we interact with each other and with the natural world. I'm wondering how these changes may have influenced the development of new religions. Today there are roughly 4,200 religions. Hinduism is the oldest, dating back about 4,000 years. All 4,200 religions were founded long after money had became an essential, 'normal' part of the economy.

    To help understand the influence of money on religion perhaps we can look for differences between native spiritual beliefs (established prior to the existence of money) and 'modern' religions (any founded within the last 10,000 years).

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    probably because people started to realize that they could run them like Businesses and make some Money off of them. if certain people can live Wealthy lifestyles because of Religion then that shows you some of the motivating factors of Religion I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad* View Post
    Of coarse we can't know exactly when money (the 'valuable' paper kind) was created, but for the sake of this discussion lets assume it first appeared in a significant way around 10,000 years ago. The introduction of money into our world changed how we interact with each other and with the natural world. I'm wondering how these changes may have influenced the development of new religions. Today there are roughly 4,200 religions. Hinduism is the oldest, dating back about 4,000 years. All 4,200 religions were founded long after money had became an essential, 'normal' part of the economy.

    To help understand the influence of money on religion perhaps we can look for differences between native spiritual beliefs (established prior to the existence of money) and 'modern' religions (any founded within the last 10,000 years).
    There's still a fair amount of 'trading' that occurs on most Reservations, particularly those without casinos.....just like most city ghettos.....both are places where money isn't so plentiful, is thus less valued and people are somewhat free to trade for whatever is valued....or needed....

    Yeah, before Europeans brought terror, disease, money and capitalism....'trading' was still the norm on Turtle Island.....that was only 500 years ago....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Have you seen this?



    Now that's some faith!
    Great stuff!!!

    Using technology for logistics and automation is what we need instead of using it for playing games or social media.

    to be honest i have more faith in automatic payment system than in cashiers... those cashiers are making a lot of mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Great stuff!!!

    Using technology for logistics and automation is what we need instead of using it for playing games or social media.

    to be honest i have more faith in automatic payment system than in cashiers... those cashiers are making a lot of mistakes.
    All the cashiers do is scan the bar code while I stand watching and then I get a receipt. With amazon go, I'd have to log into my amazon account to see what I paid for. I'm sure it would be easy to correct an error because amazon doesn't have much interest in making a profit and one could merely call to claim that they didn't buy the Deluxe Enema listed on the bill

    They're saving so much with the elimination of employees that they probably wouldn't care about the occasional theft.

    The problem is all these labor-saving-devices will increase profits for the rich and not the ones whose labor was saved. Where will all the former cashiers work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post

    Where will all the former cashiers work?
    Sitting on a chair scanning items all day is the most monotonous and boring thing a person can do, lets free those people!!!
    What are they going to do? i haven't the faintest idea, let them explore some new horizons to find what they love to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    The problem is all these labor-saving-devices will increase profits for the rich and not the ones whose labor was saved.
    Only initially until the system collapse! after that we'll all enjoy the fruits of automation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Sitting on a chair scanning items all day is the most monotonous and boring thing a person can do, lets free those people!!!
    Some people do like it because they get to meet new people and don't have to think too hard. It's the Alan Watts potato thing where mending fences and chopping wood is fun, but sorting potatoes is too much thinking.

    What are they going to do? i haven't the faintest idea, let them explore some new horizons to find what they love to do.
    How many video game programmers do we need? LOL!

    Only initially until the system collapse! after that we'll all enjoy the fruits of automation.
    You could be right about that. I came to this board because I thought money would disappear on its own for that very reason.

    So what about population overgrowth? Earth Overshoot: How Sustainable Is Population Growth? | Zero Hedge

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Sitting on a chair scanning items all day is the most monotonous and boring thing a person can do, lets free those people!!!
    What are they going to do? i haven't the faintest idea, let them explore some new horizons to find what they love to do.



    Only initially until the system collapse! after that we'll all enjoy the fruits of automation.
    I'm with this....but still think that in order to avoid considerable conflict, chaos and violence...a Basic Income must proceed Full Automation. It must be part of the transition, the only debate is 'when' it should be implemented.

    Failing in this regard will see blood in the streets not witnessed by the masses for a long time......But...Perhaps getting some blood flowing just might wake up that part of our culture that has been lulled to sleep for the past few decades????
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    That Amazon thing reminds me of a slightly earlier version:


    > How to use Tesco Scan as you Shop

    Interestingly the technology was trialled some 20 years earlier in a few stores by various supermarkets, but for some unknown reason(s) it never went any further, until I mentioned it..


    > Where will all the former cashiers work?

    I never got to have that job because I made myself redundant by suggesting a technological solution !


    > What are they going to do? i haven't the faintest idea, let them explore some new horizons to find what they love to do.

    Oh that's easy, I know just what they/I did, we became homeless and penniless. :-(


    > Some people do like it because they get to meet new people

    Yes, it would be a great way to meet people, as at the moment, I don't..



    > I thought money would disappear on its own for that very reason.

    Same here !


    Yes, UBI would be useful right about now..


    > How many video game programmers do we need? LOL!

    Well, actually, have you seen the quality of code these days, it seems there is a shortage of good programmers !

    Now, if only I could afford to live in the areas where programmers got jobs..


    > So what about population overgrowth?

    The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, sadly.

    I guess we aren't seriously going to do anything about that one are we, as a species..

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    > I'm with this....but still think that in order to avoid considerable conflict, chaos and violence...
    > a Basic Income must proceed Full Automation. It must be part of the transition, the only debate is 'when' it should be implemented.

    Looking at the sums, I'd say its affordable to do it today.

    I read a while ago someone's suggestions to implement it slowly over a period of decades, starting with people aged 16, as then it would give folk time to plan and not upset the apple cart so to speak.

    Though we already have it in the form of a pension, so why not start from 65 backwards. :-)

    Otherwise half way through, we'll find no one under 40 is working, and all the people working are aged 40 to 65..

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