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    Dunning-Kruger phenomenon

    Unbeknown to the majority of humans is our 'natural state' of ignorance.

    Now ignorance itself is nothing to be ashamed of...as long as its been tempered with humility.

    When humility is missing from the equation we can all witness or experience what's known as the "Dunning-Kruger" effect, a phenomenon whereby those who perform the worst on a task also tend to overate their skill levels the most...resulting in frustrating, often confrontational encounters, as anyone who confronts these kinds of folks can and will find....and let's be honest......they're everywhere....

    The point is that people are more ignorant than we/they think.....and most of us know just enough to get by....maybe for another day or so......without some assistance (including Libertarians)

    We've only succeeded as a species because of how well 'communities of brains' work. Every singly project one can imagine or has ever attempted would be inconceivable if it had to rely on a single mind.....the social brain hypothesis is what built the pyramids my friends....

    What puts teeth into this hypothesis is represented by the opposite effect of those folks who perform a task exceptionally well ...and then under-rate their performance, recognizing how much they don't know and how much better they could perform.

    Those who perform/behave the worst tend to lack a sense of what skills they are missing, and instead remain willfully ignorant of their potential to improve themselves...and their relationships with others.

    "WHEN THE ONLY WAY TO EVALUATE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW IS THROUGH YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE, YOU'LL NEVER GET AN HONEST ASSESSMENT"

    The flip side to Collective Thinking is 'groupthink'....when members of a group provide support for a shared belief that may have NO FACTUAL or actual basis. Many, if not all religions fit this description IMO

    The Dunning-Kruger effect is particularly risky in the political arena. Our so-called Leaders have a responsibility to 'learn' about what they don't know and effectively take advantage of the intellect surrounding them....not everyone is capable....

    "We frequently don't know what we don't know"......despite some who insist otherwise.
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    ....amazing...now that I'm looking, it seems there are examples of the Dunning-Kruger phenomena everywhere. Has it always been so? Or is the Human Race reaching a tipping point of some sort?

    Is it possibly just the effect of 'seeing what we are seeking to see' AKA; WYSIATI, perhaps? (WYSIATI , from the book 'Fast and Slow Thinking' means What You See Is All There Is)....

    .........

    Does the following ancient statement not ring a collective truth bell with everyone, and clearly reflects this apparently growing phenomena?

    "Those who know little are confidant in everything"
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    The Dunning-Kruger effect is, basically, flipping the chess board and then claiming victory. The effect is old, but the name is new.

    Also, part of the DK effect is smart people thinking other people are also smart.


    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is, basically, flipping the chess board and then claiming victory. The effect is old, but the name is new.

    Also, part of the DK effect is smart people thinking other people are also smart.


    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
    Partly true...The DK (Nobel Prize winning) study/concept is quite ancient, but despite how high we place ourselves, humans are generally slow learners....so we continue to fall for the SOS repeatedly....endlessly.....frustratingly.......on and on....


    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius

    "One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid and those with imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision" - Bertrand Russell

    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than knowledge" - Charles Darwin

    "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise knows he is a fool" - Shakespeare

    "Those who know little are confidant in everything" - Anonymous
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Partly true...The DK (Nobel Prize winning) study/concept is quite ancient, but despite how high we place ourselves, humans are generally slow learners....so we continue to fall for the SOS repeatedly....endlessly.....frustratingly.......on and on....


    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius

    "One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid and those with imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision" - Bertrand Russell

    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than knowledge" - Charles Darwin

    "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise knows he is a fool" - Shakespeare

    "Those who know little are confidant in everything" - Anonymous
    All good stuff! Love the quotes! So, where is the line between humility and confidence? I'm confident I could run into a burning building and save the baby, but it is arrogant to do so? You and I have bravery in common, so we recognize firsthand the benefits of a bit of cockiness, but we also see value in humility. If we are too timid, we miss opportunities; but if we are too cocky, the stumble and fall. Where is the line?

    Don't be afraid to take a big step if one is indicated. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. David Lloyd George

    Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it on something solid. G.K. Chesterton

    Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. Mark Twain

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    Why would it be Arrogant to run into the burning building? If you think you have a chance, shouldn't you try?


    Maybe the line/difference between Humility & Cockiness is knowing which one to value & respect more - some guy

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    > If we are too timid, we miss opportunities; but if we are too cocky, the stumble and fall. Where is the line?

    I'd say the line is where can you afford it.

    Eg. If taking a risk costs you, and it doesn't matter the price you pay, then why not take that chance.

    So, if I had huge wealth, throwing some at various business startups even if they fail, wouldn't bother me.

    But running into a burning building, with the risk of death, would bother me, as I only have one life to bargain with !


    Life has taught me the hard way, don't take risks unless you can afford to do so !

    As such, I've become far more cautious in my older age. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    All good stuff! Love the quotes! So, where is the line between humility and confidence? I'm confident I could run into a burning building and save the baby, but it is arrogant to do so? You and I have bravery in common, so we recognize firsthand the benefits of a bit of cockiness, but we also see value in humility. If we are too timid, we miss opportunities; but if we are too cocky, the stumble and fall. Where is the line?

    Don't be afraid to take a big step if one is indicated. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. David Lloyd George

    Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it on something solid. G.K. Chesterton

    Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. Mark Twain
    Where is the line? It moves slightly based on the receptions we receive throughout our lives.....

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