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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Yeah, I didn't really understand why Neil had to bring up the point regarding his degrees in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering as if to imply that those degrees equate to a superb understanding of logic or logical reasoning. One can actually argue that a degree in Philosophy is actually closer to understanding logic because I remember seeing somewhere that a lot of lawyers did undergraduate studies in Philosophy. In addition, isn't there a Philosophy course called "Introduction to Logic?" Let's look up the word "philosophy" in the dictionary:

    The academic discipline concerned with making explicit the nature and significance of ordinary and scientific beliefs and investigating the intelligibility of concepts by means of rational argument concerning their presuppositions, implications, and interrelationships; in particular, the rational investigation of the nature and structure of reality (metaphysics), the resources and limits of knowledge (epistemology), the principles and import of moral judgment (ethics), and the relationship between language and reality (semantics).

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    But wait a minute, Neil's degrees in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering means he's logical and the things he says are logical....so why doesn't it make any sense? Am I right when I said he's a master of logic or close to it? Now, I'm starting to think I'm wrong because....well....you know....maybe he's not even close to it (being a master of logic).....or is this one of those mysterious things? It's no wonder why I like that Einstein quote on the Mysterious.....



    The thing I've noticed about a lot of libertarians is that a lot of them may claim they're separate from mainstream conservatism but the reality is that the difference is actually quite subtle or small. It just seems that a lot of libertarians end up voting for The Republican Party anyways. As I have said before in another forum having to do with INTPs, the so called independent parties in the US like the Libertarian Party and the Green Party are once again similar to the "left-right paradigm" where essentially, the Libertarian Party is actually more towards the Right of the political spectrum and the Green Party is obviously more towards the Left of the political spectrum. How many people are liberal-libertarians? How many people are Left-Libertarians? How many people are truly "independent" and outside the mainstream false dichotomy of Left/Right? How many people are like former governor Jesse Ventura who actually gives a **** about real issues affecting real lives and real people? How many people are like Abby Martin?



    Isn't his own statements quite obvious? I mean, think about it, he "probably" only tapped Dr. Ben Carson for HUD just to make himself look good no different than a company or organization having to hire a couple of Blacks just to make it look like they're not racist. My intuition tells me that he might actually be a pawn in something a lot bigger.....but that's a long rant I don't want to get into....plus, Neil might get upset that I'm "theorizing or hypothesizing" too much.

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    Doesn't Trump want to bring back waterboarding or torture? I'm amazed Neil voted for him because even Jesse Ventura thinks torture is going too far.
    Dude, in order to get a computer science degree, students have to take courses in logic & one that I took was an advanced (i.e. junior-senior college level) course in logic. I guess since we're going to talk about Neil, rather than something more relevant like how to transition to a post-scarcity society right now, I'll mention that I took 3 different courses in logic, as well. Do you need a complete transcript of the courses I took in college? Anyways, both computer science and electrical engineering folks have more "hands on" knowledge and experience dealing with logic, because they have to work with and implement algorithms and hardware that are dependent on sound logic design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Libertarians value indépendance above all else, at least in my own experience....never realizing that unless one is a hermit and completely self sufficient, independence is an illusion perpetuated by wealthy Libertarians...and wannabe libertarians...
    Perhaps some do; but what libertarians mainly want is not to be forced to do something that they don't want to do, but that doesn't include doing something where there can be a victim of one's actions. Libertarianism isn't about being self sufficient; perhaps at one time it was considered popular by self-proclaimed libertarians; but my economics professor said that self sufficiency leads to poverty & I'm pretty sure that there are very few libertarians who are fans of living a life of poverty, or living like hermits. All libertarians essentially want is to not have the government putting a gun to their heads forcing & coercing them to do things they don't want to do, putting up walls with guns to keep them in the country, etc. Now why the hell is that too much to ask for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Take off your sunglasses!



    Twitter Users Mock 'Trump Caucus' Photo For Being 'So White,' They Need Sunglasses | The Huffington Post

    The future's so white, I gotta wear shades



    Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. Anyone can disavow anything, but the proof is in a vanilla pudding.

    Or you can listen to what they say Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist | The Huffington Post

    Trump: He's Mexican!
    Tapper: He's born in Indiana!
    Trump: He's Mexican heritage!
    Tapper: You're saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?
    Trump: No, I don't think so at all.

    Sorry, Brown People, Donald Trump Doesn't Believe You're Real Americans | The Huffington Post
    Mexican is not a race; it's a nationality, and he's justified to complain that the judge is of Mexican heritage given the possible bias or affinity that he might have. It's a sound argument; it's called conflict of interest. Look at the lawyer's group that the judge belongs to: Founder of Judge Curiel's Group: Whites Should Go Back to Europe, CA To Be 'Hispanic State'

    Muslim is also not a race; it's a religion. Hispanic is also not a race; it refers to someone who speaks Spanish as a first language or comes from a Spanish-speaking country; hispanics can be of any race. If you don't understand these things or don't know the differences, go research them; I'm not going to do all your homework for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    The difference is Bush and Obama really believed they were telling the truth; unfortunately, they were wrong in their predictions.
    I don't see any reason to believe that.

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    However, Trump is bullsh!tting people by saying one thing as a diversion while implementing the opposite.
    Such as?

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    The reason for that is one can't come out and say they intend to make America white again.
    This is only a clever attempt at defamation of Trump's character, but it's in actuality nothing more than vacuous & non sequitur nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    If that were true, then MSM is racist as well as every liberal voter from shore to shore. Hmmm... nevermind... point taken
    Well this seems pleasantly unexpected. I can agree - but hmmm....

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    A non-racist person must be synonymous with naive.
    No, they don't have any kind of connection with each other.

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    I remember those days. I wonder what my opinion of Trump would have been had I not been primed by serenesam, et al, months ahead of time.
    With all the misinformation that seems to be going around about Trump in the media, I'm not sure it would make much of a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    I can't tell if the knowledge is edifying or destructive, but we'll find out.

    Reminds me of:



    George Washington used this chair for nearly three months of the Federal Convention's continuous sessions. James Madison reported Benjamin Franklin saying, "I have often looked at that behind the president without being able to tell whether it was rising or setting. But now I... know that it is a rising...sun." The Rising Sun Armchair (George Washington's Chair)
    How do you think we'll find out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    I dont agree, you have exposed, or more to the point highlighted, a senior member in the official TZM forum as being a dedicated Trump supporter.
    You make it sound as though there's something wrong with a senior member in the official TZM forum being a dedicated Trump supporter (whatever that's supposed to mean); is there something wrong with that? I don't see anything wrong with that. I do, however, see plenty wrong with folks who are racists or those who have essentially revealed themselves to be socialists loitering around on a forum that advocates something that expressly goes against those concepts.

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    Pure comedy gold!!
    Really? Why's that?

    I can totally respect someone being opposed to Trump & politics in general as long as they were several orders of magnitude more opposed to having Hillary Clinton for POTUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinout View Post
    'Lets hope Trump gets America's economy back on track and great again'. haha awesome!!
    I have to agree - that it would be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Dude, in order to get a computer science degree, students have to take courses in logic & one that I took was an advanced (i.e. junior-senior college level) course in logic. I guess since we're going to talk about Neil, rather than something more relevant like how to transition to a post-scarcity society right now, I'll mention that I took 3 different courses in logic, as well. Do you need a complete transcript of the courses I took in college? Anyways, both computer science and electrical engineering folks have more "hands on" knowledge and experience dealing with logic, because they have to work with and implement algorithms and hardware that are dependent on sound logic design.
    You know the funny thing is that I know plenty of people with degrees in computer science and engineering and guess what? While they may claim they're logical, they aren't. People simply like to call "this or that" a fallacy but they have no idea what they're talking about. Ask a philosophy professor and I bet one will agree with me completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    You make it sound as though there's something wrong with a senior member in the official TZM forum being a dedicated Trump supporter (whatever that's supposed to mean); is there something wrong with that? I don't see anything wrong with that. I do, however, see plenty wrong with folks who are racists or those who have essentially revealed themselves to be socialists loitering around on a forum that advocates something that expressly goes against those concepts.
    Most people loitering here, except you, are showing some understanding of what socialism is!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    ? Why's that?
    Because Trump and his rhetoric and TZM's line of thought are polar opposites! And anyone supporting both is a contradiction which I find funny. I think you will find the word irony explains this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I can totally respect someone being opposed to Trump & politics in general as long as they were several orders of magnitude more opposed to having Hillary Clinton for POTUS.
    What are you implying now? That you only voted for Trump so HC wouldn't be elected. I thought you were a man of logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I have to agree - that it would be awesome!
    It isn't going to happen. The trust you hold for him that it may, shows you have no idea of the literature being written within this movement.

    Also I'm intrigued if you think the following link is some of the misinformation going around about the guy you support?

    Trump Is Bankrupting Our Nation to Enrich the War Profiteers
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    > socialists loitering around on a forum that advocates something that expressly goes against those concepts.

    I'm confused, what is the difference between TZM and socialism ?

    Actual answers along the line of "The difference between TZM and socialism is X,Y,Z" would be most appreciated. :-)

    For example, I thought both wanted free stuff for people ?

    Offhand, that is the only thing that sticks in my mind that socialism is about. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > socialists loitering around on a forum that advocates something that expressly goes against those concepts.

    I'm confused, what is the difference between TZM and socialism ?

    Actual answers along the line of "The difference between TZM and socialism is X,Y,Z" would be most appreciated. :-)

    For example, I thought both wanted free stuff for people ?

    Offhand, that is the only thing that sticks in my mind that socialism is about. :-)
    The concept of free only exists in a capitalist system. Think of the resources of the earth belonging to everyone and the stuff you wanting to own belonging to you. Everything else discussed should be about how we are going to get to a RBE in society as a whole (realistically though, as a majority)! Using money is out, so what are some of the other options?
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