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    > Since there would be no wealth for women to judge men by,
    > I've figured there would evolve some other yardstick...

    Whichever man has that beach front property. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > The best thing that happened to this forum was lack of authority.
    > Now we evolve according to natural selection rather than a guiding hand.

    Though, it is possible to have a guiding hand, that is gentle enough to allow for natural selection, but firm enough to keep the real trouble makers out of the loop.
    You're right but you have to figure that, eventually, that guiding hand will become corrupt.

    I know, as I've been a moderator of some forums myself for decades !

    Sadly it gets harder to do that these days because folk complain higher up the food chain and get me kicked out of my own forums !
    No kidding??? That's sad on one hand because you seem to be a very cool chap and sweet on the other because I generally hate mods. They are anything but moderate (adjective) and they never moderate (verb), but escalate and terminate.

    If you're interested, here is a link to a forum where the old mods from TZM defend their actions https://forum.culteducation.com/read...2,97823,page=4

    After reading that, it's probably easy to imagine why the old forum was deleted.

    My experience in moderating has taught me I think that some kind of TZM solution is possible, in that there is a way to marry the benefits of evolutionary problem solving techniques, and some kind of government in charge to keep the wheels of civilisation turning on our behalf. (Just like a moderator of a forum, if they are also the admin, provides the very forum itself for people to use.)

    Sadly we don't appear to have any training courses for moderators, so mostly we take pot luck whether we get a good one or not.
    Moderators, first and foremost, should moderate spats between people and only use any type of force as a last resort. Moderators should have a natural skill for diplomacy and then training on top of it. For the most-part, the community should be able to keep itself together and if a mod is to have any function, it's to prevent witch-hunts and the like (where the community itself becomes overbearing and unilateral against an individual). The goal of a mod is to keep members, not ban them. Most cops would probably say they have never shot anyone, so the same with mods... most should say they have never banned anyone after a lengthy (20yr) career in law enforcement. I equate banishment with murder. Either way, a person is eternally silenced.

    I have seen solutions to this problem, Facebook is perhaps the nearest anyone here is likely to be aware of, as it allows anyone (Mostly..) to create their own sub facebook group, so people can vote with their feet, and you can get up with good moderators that way. (Assuming no one complains to Facebook about said group and gets it banned..)
    The problem with voting with your feet is there aren't many other places to go. Usually, the forum has taken the prime real estate (domain name) and claimed most of the members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Since there would be no wealth for women to judge men by,
    > I've figured there would evolve some other yardstick...

    Whichever man has that beach front property. ;-)
    I know you guys ain't talking about a NLRBE right?

    Women would be far too Educated & Enlightened to fall for that old Caveman shite.

    BTW Happy Women's Day my masculinos !

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    > I know you guys ain't talking about a NLRBE right?

    Whatever works best, I've no idea what you call it. :-)

    There is a tendency that once you nail your colours to the flag, that the search for a solution becomes an ideological anchor that no one budges from.

    'Nail your colours to the mast' - the meaning and origin of this phrase
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    > Women would be far too Educated & Enlightened to fall for that old Caveman shite.

    Good luck trying to do that !

    That would be like trying to alter the course of a river, when gravity has already ear marked the most efficient route to take.


    I'm all for it, I just think it is much harder than you might imagine a task to achieve.

    I have seen working solutions, but as someone else said earlier, they aren't very palatable.

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    > The problem with voting with your feet is there aren't many other places to go.
    > Usually, the forum has taken the prime real estate (domain name) and claimed most of the members.

    I wouldn't worry about that at all, what is in a name, after all, look at Apple, what a silly name for a computer company !

    I reckon once you have something better, people will abandon the old and move to the new, whatever it is called.

    As I see it, what problem is technical and needs a better technical solution in better forum software, as at the moment, there is none that is really up to the job, the nearest you get to perfect is a newsgroup:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup
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    Moderators, first and foremost, should moderate spats between people and only use any type of force as a last resort. Moderators should have a natural skill for diplomacy and then training on top of it. For the most-part, the community should be able to keep itself together and if a mod is to have any function, it's to prevent witch-hunts and the like (where the community itself becomes overbearing and unilateral against an individual). The goal of a mod is to keep members, not ban them. Most cops would probably say they have never shot anyone, so the same with mods... most should say they have never banned anyone after a lengthy (20yr) career in law enforcement. I equate banishment with murder. Either way, a person is eternally silenced.
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    A very accurate job description in my view.

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    Communities, Tribes and Bands, both large and small ones, have been 'Exiling' less desirable members out of their particular territory for 'at least' as long as Humans have been running around claiming 'THAT'S MINE.!!!

    Why should the internet be any different? Hmmmm?

    I think some folks use the 'pity' factor to justify their assumed right to be offensive whenever they please, failing to look into their own mirror and.... too often FORGETTING to engage the BRAIN/buffer which should be dictating a simple truth for us all whenever we find ourselves debating on the internet;

    "IF I wouldn't say it to your face, then I won't type it either"

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
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    Moderators, first and foremost, should moderate spats between people and only use any type of force as a last resort. Moderators should have a natural skill for diplomacy and then training on top of it. For the most-part, the community should be able to keep itself together and if a mod is to have any function, it's to prevent witch-hunts and the like (where the community itself becomes overbearing and unilateral against an individual). The goal of a mod is to keep members, not ban them. Most cops would probably say they have never shot anyone, so the same with mods... most should say they have never banned anyone after a lengthy (20yr) career in law enforcement. I equate banishment with murder. Either way, a person is eternally silenced.
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    A very accurate job description in my view.
    My personal preference would be that the members self moderate other members as needed and dependent on the severity of vileness coming from the offender.....which can work, especially whenever members are met with irrational intolerance or hate driven opines, which is intolerable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Women would be far too Educated & Enlightened to fall for that old Caveman shite.

    Good luck trying to do that !

    That would be like trying to alter the course of a river, when gravity has already ear marked the most efficient route to take.


    I'm all for it, I just think it is much harder than you might imagine a task to achieve.

    I have seen working solutions, but as someone else said earlier, they aren't very palatable.
    Well I think part of the Economic System change we need also needs to be matched with a supportive/conducive Educational System. I don't think a NLRBE will survive if we have the same type of Human Mental Ability we acquire under our current conditions. Indeed Women & Men would have to be brought up in a type of Educational System that would raise this population to highest Education/Enlightenment levels possible. This is an imperative I believe because mostly what we have Today just wont cut it.
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