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    Quote Originally Posted by austindstephens View Post
    ... Well, so much for getting my answers here. Maybe I should just email Joseph directly with my concerns. How's the reading coming along, Hal?
    sure, you should probably ask joseph, i'm sure he'll be happy to address your concerns.

    the reading was great i'm almost done and the book was very good....highly recommended !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by austindstephens View Post
    Anarchists, which Libertarian Communists are, disagree with the idea of power completely, haha. Thereís a distinction between irrational and rational authority; we donít oppose the rational forms of authority, i.e. experts, etc. Those are people whose thoughts on technical matters such as performing surgeries or building bridges people should respect and listen to. Those people are authorities instead of just having arbitrary authority over other people. Having decisions made for you by a small group of people contribute nothing to production themselves is an example of hierarchical, irrational authority, which anarchists oppose.
    In short they advise as specialists who by definition are in the minority, but we decide because we are the generalists and are the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    In short they advise as specialists who by definition are in the minority, but we decide because we are the generalists and are the majority.
    Good Luck with that. Have you noticed the type of Illogical, Inferior decision making process the generalist majority are capable of coming up with? Does not look to promising given the fact of problems with the Human Train of Thought.

    Specialist just means people with the Educational background in Science & Technology which is a wide-ranging area in all parts of Life that would include the Majority of us through the Educational System. And in this way people would be able to reach Specialist & Generalist levels according to their own pursuits of Education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austindstephens View Post
    Libertarian Socialist thought, by the way, goes back to the 19th century and beyond, with such thinkers as Proudhon, Bakunin, etc.; that's way before TZM and their documentaries, obviously.

    Yes...and even before that as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Good Luck with that. Have you noticed the type of Illogical, Inferior decision making process the generalist majority are capable of coming up with? Does not look to promising given the fact of problems with the Human Train of Thought.
    Great point. coming up with a new decision making system isn't easy, but one thing is for sure: we can't leave it to the general public.
    We're just not good at it and that includes me, you, them and everyone else.

    do you know how many unnecessary mistakes i made just today? forgot to make a turn, forgot to buy groceries on the way, drop my cellphone on the ground, and many many more.
    all the mistakes people do adds up to create the problematic world we have right now, some mistakes are malevolent and some benevolent...

    humans are fallible, malleable, biased, susceptible unpredictable creatures.... its what makes us human after all.
    If you had to testify against your spouse or child or family member in court would you tell the truth??? most people won't. WE LIE, WE CHEAT, WE STEAL.

    Our lizard brain always lurking in the background of any action we do.
    in my opinion we need to let go and assign decision making to the humble machines, who are devoid of any bias and animalistic primitive urges, desires and emotional preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Yes...and even before that as well...
    can you explain who talked about it before them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Great point. coming up with a new decision making system isn't easy, but one thing is for sure: we can't leave it to the general public.
    We're just not good at it and that includes me, you, them and everyone else.
    I think people feel uneasy about assigning the Decision Making process to Scientific Machines because they kind of feel like they would be giving away a huge part of their Lives to the control of some mistrustful Machines/Robots. But really when it comes down to our day to day lives, people would still be making so many decisions for themselves that they wouldn't even need to worry about all the Challenging Systematic decisions required daily for an Economic System to function efficiently. All we would have to worry about is the decisions we make on a personal level & of Social ones. So then we might say that the Economic Decisions would be made largely using Science/Technology while the Social ones can have a valuable amount of Human input. But we'll have to figure out what works best before we can settle down on a precise way of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    can you explain who talked about it before them?
    My point is that people began contemplating these issues long before they were ever published....

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