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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I kind of like all the human rights lawyers in China complaining about the child policy. I think if TZM/RBE were to ever be able to implement a rule or law like that, you're going to have human rights lawyers complaining and annoying the **** out of you. That is of course, if TZM/RBE will even get there which I highly doubt.

    Now you can argue that China can do whatever it wants kind of thing but the difference is that TZM/RBE isn't the government of the world, isn't the President(s) of the world, and has no authority upon the "beautiful unique nations" of the world.
    I suppose positive incentives could be used to bring the birth rate down just as well as negative.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    I suppose positive incentives could be used to bring the birth rate down just as well as negative.
    Okay, but if there's no money, would such positive incentives be perceived as being positive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Okay, but if there's no money, would such positive incentives be perceived as being positive?
    If they are extra resources they would, since money, under capitalism, is a round-about way to acquire more resources.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    If they are extra resources they would, since money, under capitalism, is a round-about way to acquire more resources.
    Hmm.....I could have sworn Peter Joseph once said something about not having to own any resources. Resource access is more like a library.

    I believe some supporters of First-Wave TZM didn't like the notion of having to drag around lots of equipment and stuff.

    What kind of extra resources could they possibly get? Obviously, owning more land doesn't make any sense because Peter Joseph once talked about how negative it was for someone to want to own the entire continent of Africa.

    Or is this actually Second-Wave TZM/RBE now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Hmm.....I could have sworn Peter Joseph once said something about not having to own any resources. Resource access is more like a library.

    I believe some supporters of First-Wave TZM didn't like the notion of having to drag around lots of equipment and stuff.

    What kind of extra resources could they possibly get? Obviously, owning more land doesn't make any sense because Peter Joseph once talked about how negative it was for someone to want to own the entire continent of Africa.

    Or is this actually Second-Wave TZM/RBE now?
    It's not TZM. It's my own formulated approach.

    A resource allowance would limit items to each citizen within each category of good. For example, if the standard limit on electronic devices is 100 devices, that number could be raised by, say, 25, for couples who decide to have less or no children.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

    "They who decry the loss of masculinity the loudest, are certain of it in themselves the least."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    It's not TZM. It's my own formulated approach.

    A resource allowance would limit items to each citizen within each category of good. For example, if the standard limit on electronic devices is 100 devices, that number could be raised by, say, 25, for couples who decide to have less or no children.
    LOL! O My God!

    That was really funny. You honestly think raising the number by 25 is encouraging/motivating? But like I said earlier in post #12, the human perception of value might be reduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    It's not TZM. It's my own formulated approach.
    You do understand that "your" own formulated approach might not be willed by supporters/proponent of TZM/RBE right? I mean, in other words, there's no "leader" in TZM/RBE right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    It's not TZM. It's my own formulated approach.
    “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” ― Harlan Ellison
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    LOL! O My God!

    That was really funny. You honestly think raising the number by 25 is encouraging/motivating? But like I said earlier in post #12, the human perception of value might be reduced.
    Fair enough. However, I only posited a positive incentive because you countered my putting a limit on children. Of course, every government is going to have laws and as long as citizens can renounce their citizenship, they are not obligated to follow those laws.

    But I think people will be able to weigh the costs and benefits to following such a law given their needs will be provided for under a RBE. After all, it wouldn't be a law that said they couldn't have any children. It might just limit a mother to one or two.

    Of course, one of the main reasons people in poverty have more children is to collect benefits because whatever income or benefits they are receiving is not enough to keep them from struggling under a monetary system. If you take away the struggle for resources, you take away the incentive or need to produce more children in order to collect more welfare.
    "The stress of nature never ends, but at a certain level still other driving forces originate which put the whip to the creative power of man with a multiplied force... The new relations are detected first by a few (with the finest moral tentacles), afterwards by more, then they are consolidated in rules which begin to push aside the earlier moral code and in the end eliminate it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsir View Post
    Fair enough. However, I only posited a positive incentive because you countered my putting a limit on children. Of course, every government is going to have laws and as long as citizens can renounce their citizenship, they are not obligated to follow those laws.

    But I think people will be able to weigh the costs and benefits to following such a law given their needs will be provided for under a RBE. After all, it wouldn't be a law that said they couldn't have any children. It might just limit a mother to one or two.

    Of course, one of the main reasons people in poverty have more children is to collect benefits because whatever income or benefits they are receiving is not enough to keep them from struggling under a monetary system. If you take away the struggle for resources, you take away the incentive or need to produce more children in order to collect more welfare.


    Hold on, hold on here just a minute.....there some spreading of 'myths w/in the above statement.......That "people in poverty have more children to collect benefits' is a mantra coming from the Right for Decades...its an outright lie that has been used to denigrate and keep the poor in poverty, and remain the primary victims in the battle we 'claim' :roll eyes: to be waging...(Most of them are in fact, White Folks).....it has been proven incorrect time and again to little avail it seems because even well meaning people are still making these kinds of statements......Stop it!....or at least investigate it before making such a broad and hurtful proclamation....PLEASE!!!!

    The number one reason poor folks 'tend' to have more children is 'denied access' to needed medical resources......and that ain't getting any better....any time soon.....
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