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    The Rise of The Alt Right

    According to Google Trends, if one were to do a search on “alt right,” the interest in that movement has exponentiated while if one were to do a search on “zeitgeist movement,” interest in that movement has declined. Now, I understand there hasn’t been any direct confrontation or objections coming from proponents/supporters of the Alt Right but I am just curious as to what supporters of the Zeitgeist Movement would say in the event there would be criticism coming from those folks.

    Just for people’s information, the Alt-right isn’t the exact same thing as Libertarianism. I believe the following Youtube video does an excellent job of showing the difference:



    Radical traditionalism
    Political authoritarianism
    -A desire to return to monarchy, aristocracy, and/or feudalism
    -An admiration of fascism
    Ethnic nationalism, usually white or (less commonly) Asian
    -Racialism (usually framed as "race realism" or "human biodiversity")
    -A belief in biological determinism
    -A belief that ethnic uniformity increases social capital[wp]
    -Frequently, though not always, anti-Semitism
    Hostility to feminism, multiculturalism, and progressivism in all its forms, especially democracy and equality; in their metaphor, the "Cathedral"
    -Normative arguments based on evolutionary psychology
    -Pick-up artist jargon
    -Men’s rights activism
    Austrian School of economics
    -Anarcho-capitalism
    -Old time social Darwinism
    -Many are former Ron Paul supporters
    Traditionalist Catholicism, often
    -Or a more secularized cultural Christianity
    -Alternatively, some form of neopaganism, Satanism, or occultist woo of the Julius Evola variety[33]
    -Or a religious view that sees the Singularity as God. This dovetails with transhumanism below. See also Roko's basilisk.
    Transhumanism and other technological utopias (the odd idea out)
    Michael Anissimov proposes the following six tenets as the core beliefs of neoreaction:
    1). People are not equal. They never will be. We reject equality in all its forms.
    2). Right is right and left is wrong.
    3). Hierarchy is basically a good idea.
    4). Traditional sex roles are basically a good idea.
    5). Libertarianism is retarded.
    6). Democracy is irredeemably flawed and we need to do away with it.[34]
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    Source: Neoreactionary movement - RationalWiki

    Alt-right - Conservapedia
    Alt-right - Wikipedia
    alt right - Google Trends
    zeitgeist movement - Google Trends
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    Basically Donald Trump's Family Reunion you mean ...
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    I have come across direct objections from these so-called "alt right" folks, but it's more of "in passing" type of stuff (e.g., they're not constantly posting video after video to object or criticize TZM) rather than something that might qualify as "common objections". I'm not going to provide examples, though, because I don't care to expand awareness of those folks with free advertising by posting links to their stuff.

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    Nationalism/racism is spawned out of fear and intellectual laziness.

    Typical events that cause people to become susceptible to the nationalist virus:
    1. They turn on the news and they see disproportionate violent crime committed by minorities and refugees.
    2. They have lost their jobs and had them outsourced to foreigners willing to work for a fraction of the salary.

    At that point we can begin examining their thought process.

    How do they explain event #1? Why do these groups of people have a higher violent crime rate? Often what happens is these observers try to look for an easy answer, so they fall back to their tribalistic instincts, and they become susceptible to being swayed by impressive-sounding pseudoscience that supports and confirms their tribalism. In this case, the prospective racist reads a lot of propaganda purporting that minorities and refugees commit violent crimes disproportionally because "it's in their DNA." At that point, a racist has been created. The problem here is they completely overlook or dismiss the upbringing, culture and effects of social stratification of these groups of people. This is too complicated for the racist as he or she has no patience or interest in systems thinking and sociology, so they rely on pseudoscientific racialism as a cop-out.

    How do they explain event #2? They don't even begin to question the system they're living under, because again, systems thinking is too complex for them. Instead they pick a scapegoat, like the foreigners who "took" their jobs (who by the way are exploited by the system as well) or some politicians.

    How do you cure racists? Help them see the big picture. Motivate them to be open-minded so they can look beyond the propaganda they've been fed. These are simply jaded, misinformed people who recognize there's a problem, but they make the wrong diagnosis. What I don't recommend is being overly hostile towards them, as that will not enlighten them but rather cause an even more adverse reaction and solidify their warped ideology.
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    I think what might help is if you could somehow take them away from their 'Comfort Zones' and let them Experience other people's Worlds. This might bridge a better understanding of other people's Culture and what they feel & go through in their daily lives. Right now it's just too easy for them to carry these type of negative feelings with them because of how Divided & Removed we are as a Society. People are split up in so many different ways, e.g. Culturally, Income, Education, Ethnicity, Politically etc... .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    I think what might help is if you could somehow take them away from their 'Comfort Zones' and let them Experience other people's Worlds. This might bridge a better understanding of other people's Culture and what they feel & go through in their daily lives. Right now it's just too easy for them to carry these type of negative feelings with them because of how Divided & Removed we are as a Society. People are split up in so many different ways, e.g. Culturally, Income, Education, Ethnicity, Politically etc... .
    Yes indeed....emerging ourselves into whatever or wherever we fear most can be therapeutic, eye/mind opening and a great step toward our eventual evolution.....its one reason I still advocate for some form of 'give back to your community' service program for 'all' members of society...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welcome View Post
    How do you cure racists?
    You never going to cure a racist... not until you provide him with free food, shelter and other necessities, so he'll stop looking for other imaginary groups to exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welcome View Post
    Nationalism/racism is spawned out of fear and intellectual laziness.

    Typical events that cause people to become susceptible to the nationalist virus:
    1. They turn on the news and they see disproportionate violent crime committed by minorities and refugees.
    2. They have lost their jobs and had them outsourced to foreigners willing to work for a fraction of the salary.

    At that point we can begin examining their thought process.

    How do they explain event #1? Why do these groups of people have a higher violent crime rate? Often what happens is these observers try to look for an easy answer, so they fall back to their tribalistic instincts, and they become susceptible to being swayed by impressive-sounding pseudoscience that supports and confirms their tribalism. In this case, the prospective racist reads a lot of propaganda purporting that minorities and refugees commit violent crimes disproportionally because "it's in their DNA." At that point, a racist has been created. The problem here is they completely overlook or dismiss the upbringing, culture and effects of social stratification of these groups of people. This is too complicated for the racist as he or she has no patience or interest in systems thinking and sociology, so they rely on pseudoscientific racialism as a cop-out.

    How do they explain event #2? They don't even begin to question the system they're living under, because again, systems thinking is too complex for them. Instead they pick a scapegoat, like the foreigners who "took" their jobs (who by the way are exploited by the system as well) or some politicians.

    How do you cure racists? Help them see the big picture. Motivate them to be open-minded so they can look beyond the propaganda they've been fed. These are simply jaded, misinformed people who recognize there's a problem, but they make the wrong diagnosis. What I don't recommend is being overly hostile towards them, as that will not enlighten them but rather cause an even more adverse reaction and solidify their warped ideology.
    So how do you explain why Asians do so well and have lower crime rates? Where is the discrimination against Asian people? Where are the effects of social stratification against Asians?

    In fact, the following Youtube video shows discrimination in favor of Asians not against them (it's only about 8 minutes long so it shouldn't be too bad to watch):

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    You never going to cure a racist... not until you provide him with free food, shelter and other necessities, so he'll stop looking for other imaginary groups to exploit.
    I don't exactly know who you are referring to when you used the word "racist." I mean, why is it okay to have Black pride, Asian pride, and Hispanic pride but not White pride? If we are all about equality, shouldn't White people be able to express their White pride?
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    Are you for real, serenesam?

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