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    "Hard times create strong men."

    Wait, don't hard times also create violent and/or criminal men?
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    Sure I guess depending on what we mean by "strong".

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > conquering someone else's land is not the same as people migrating to other lands

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is probably a duck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

    I'm reminded of the USA, now, did folk migrate there and the Native American Indians just happen to end up with the short end of the stick:

    "'The short end of the stick' - the meaning and origin of this phrase"

    Or was their land conquered ?


    What of the Vikings and North America:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_..._North_America

    Conquers or migrating for a better way of life ?
    Good question. I just listened to Ann Coulter's opinion on the difference. She says her ancestors "settled" in America. They weren't immigrants because the Natives did not own the land.

    "My family came from America because there was no America before they came."

    FWD to 12:45

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    "Hard times create strong men."

    Wait, don't hard times also create violent and/or criminal men?
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    Starting at 24:00 in the above video, Lana Lokteff speaks followed by Henrik Palmgren. It sure was interesting to watch.
    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    LOL Immigration is how the globalists defecate in our souls!

    More and more I'm becoming settled on this issue: I don't mind helping neighbors, so long as they are neighbors. When they invade my land, they become criminals.

    Just the other day a guy parked his truck on my land. When the headlights went out, I grabbed my rifle and strolled over there. He said he was waiting on his gf and parked there because he wasn't allowed at his gf's house. I was thinking, "So what makes you think you're allowed here?"

    If he would have asked, I would have said "Sure, no problem!" I don't know what it is about people who take liberties that rubs me the wrong way. Why am I so territorial?

    "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors"

    Wikipedia has a nice write-up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mending_Wall

    Despite its simple, almost folksy language, "Mending Wall" is a complex poem with several themes, beginning with human fellowship, which Frost first dealt with in his poem "A Tuft of Flowers" in his first collection of poems, A Boy's Will.[4] Unlike the earlier poem which explores the bond between men, "Mending Wall" deals with the distances and tensions between men.[5]

    The poem explores the contradictions in life and humanity, including the contradictions within each person, as man "makes boundaries and he breaks boundaries".[6][7]

    The poem also explores the role of boundaries in human society as mending the wall serves both to separate and to join the two neighbors, another contradiction.[8]

    Then, in "Mending Wall", Frost meditates on the role of language as a kind of wall that both joins and separates people.[10][11]

    Finally, Frost explores the theme of mischief and humor in "Mending Wall", as the narrator says halfway through the poem, "Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder/If I could put a notion in his head" (28,29). Mending the wall is a game for the narrator, though in contrast, the neighbor seems quite serious about the work. The narrator notes how the neighbor seems to be walking not only in the thick shade of woods and trees, but in actual "darkness", implying ignorance and/or inhospitable sentiments


    Poem here Frost, Mending Wall

    At what point is it ignorant to build a wall? Do we stop at our own bodies? Clothing is a wall. Do we stop at our bedrooms? Our homes? Our land? Our state? Our country? How big will the TZM wall be? How big is it already? Just how much "space" can we make "safe" without being "ignorant"?

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    I’ve noticed that Peter Joseph said “Nationalism is just racism with a flag” on his official Facebook Page. Good luck with trying to get Asians in Asian countries to give up their culture and identity.
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    > give up their culture and identity.

    I don't see why anyone has to do that to live in an RBE type way and to live in peace with their neighbour.

    We just have to stop fighting each other..


    Which I imagine will be a lot harder than we imagine, because even when we are trying to be peaceful towards our neighbour, we can so easily be to use a favourite TZM saying, structurally violent without realising it.

    Unequal trade for example is a way one country can attack another, or even a way one part of a country can attack another.

    But one might argue that unequal trade is more efficient though, so if we attempt to make trade more equal, we might thus make overall global wealth lower than higher.

    But perhaps making folk more economically equal wouldn't be a bad thing, unless it means we are all equally poor..

    Isn't there a way perhaps to make everyone economically rich ?

    I guess if we stopped fighting each other, that we would save a small fortune. :-)

    But then, wouldn't we spend a small fortune on defence to make sure we didn't fight each other..

    Or perhaps there is a way that global trade could work efficiently, and yet not lead to taking advantage of one country over another. (Though I understand that currency values are a way for this to be adjusted over a long time scale.)

    Suddenly I'm reminded of the idea of a global universal basic income to help promote peace, as it could make war unprofitable as it would cause a drop in ones global universal basic income, whilst peace would cause an increase, and everyone likes more money. :-)

    It's a thought. :-)


    Suddenly I'm reminded of a Star Trek moment..


    > Quark solves the problem of War with Economics
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    Reading the comments section to that video link reveals an interesting snippet:

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    101jir 3 weeks ago (edited)
    +David Wührer "You say that pure capitalism doesn't exist." Not exactly. I say that relatively pure capitalism is dead. The Industrial revolution was kindof the last great hurrah of capitalism in a generally pure form. What we have today, from welfare, to price ceilings and floors set by the government, to environmental controls and anti-trust laws are not even close to pure capitalism. The government now has a very potent impact on business, whereas it was not always that way.


    "The basic idea of capitalism is that the economy is not a zero-sum game, and that trade, facilitated by currency, can enrich all involved parties at no expense to a third." That's the theory, but I can't name a time it has actually played out that way. I call a theory by the steps it plans to take, not the promise of what is supposed to happen. Especially if those promises never come to fruition.

    "...and liken it to a centralised autocracy." According to both Leninism and Stalinism, a one-party state is necessary before "true" communism is ever achieved. This is why I add "until the people are mature enough to pass a knife among themselves." The latter part is more the dream of communism, but often a one-party state is desired (except with democratic socialism and a few others) to bring about that "maturity."
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    The bit that caught my eye was:

    > trade, facilitated by currency, can enrich all involved parties at no expense to a third

    That sounds very much like a description of an RBE computer task, only written in capitalist speak, rather than RBE speak.

    "Resource allocation, facilitated by computer variables, can enrich all involved parties at no expense to a third."

    As I've learned several different computer languages over the years, I'm familiar with the same underlying algorithm being expressed in different words and ways to create the same end result.

    So perhaps capitalism isn't the enemy, only a seed that we need to grow to something more useful to everyone, and not just a few.

    Which might be why some folk don't want it to be developed !

    Food for thought.

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