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    > conquering someone else's land is not the same as people migrating to other lands

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is probably a duck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

    I'm reminded of the USA, now, did folk migrate there and the Native American Indians just happen to end up with the short end of the stick:

    "'The short end of the stick' - the meaning and origin of this phrase"

    Or was their land conquered ?


    What of the Vikings and North America:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_..._North_America

    Conquers or migrating for a better way of life ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > somethings going to 'die out' right.

    So does that mean what happened in Tasmania is just one of those things that 'died out', and we should come to except the invasion and conquer of other peoples lands as something not to really concern ourselves with ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lia.features11

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    To the rest of the world it is merely baffling, for Tasmania is to this day frequently - and wrongly - cited as the site of the only successful genocide in history.
    On that strange, sorry island so far away, the antipode of the antipodes, it was said that a race of indigenous people had, within 80 years of the English invasion, disappeared from the face of the earth as surely as the dodo. Glosses on their fate varied, but no doubt was had as to the fate itself. With the death of Trugannini in 1876, the last of the Tasmanians was gone.
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    To me it seems we either treat all such situations equally as fair, or not as fair, rather than it is alright for some folk to do it, and not others.
    I doubt that Tasmania was the only successful genocide...just one that's been written about is all.....After all, We humans have been killing each other for a very long time.

    The peoples of the Americas and the surrounding islands were reduced to a fraction of their numbers soon after White Men arrived and began slaughtering and stealing all that wasn't theirs..... the sense of 'entitlement' that drove these men to kill and take remains with many of their now living survivors....
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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Fascists; is 'Reason' part of their tool box?
    Maybe the "reason" of a necessary leadership and/or hierarchy?

    It's almost living in a fantasy world to think that people are capable of leading and managing themselves.
    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." - Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is probably a duck.
    Migration is something that EVERYONE comes from. Conquering & Genocide is only what Some people do. Like I said, one is about Death and the other is about Life. Not everyone who migrates to other lands will become conquerors. So you Can't equate the two because History doesn't show this.

    Don't hate the Migrations, Hate the Socioeconomic factors producing it.

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    > We humans have been killing each other for a very long time.

    This I believe goes to the hub of the problem.

    > Conquering & Genocide is only what Some people do.

    This is what everyone does, think of it as to use a TZM term, structural violence..

    Unless folk are moving into a virgin land that no one else has ever lived in, then they are going to be in competition with folk already there for resources.

    Even within a country, people will move from one part of it to another, in search of a better life.

    Even within a town, some parts are more sort over than others.

    Evolution, natural selection, mother nature, all the same thing, where life fights other life for resources.


    > Hate the Socioeconomic factors producing it.

    Part of the very thing TVP / TZM is about is resources, and how if we all had a share, we wouldn't need to fight each other so much.

    We might still want to...

    But we might be able to evolve out of that way of doing things, the same way we evolved into it, by altering our environment and allowing natural selection to run its course to make us a better fit for it.

    But . . .

    This is a little harder than you might first imagine, as all life operates in this fashion, competition.

    Can we possibly escape it ?

    Maybe..

    We might at least, be able to reduce its negative effects I reckon.

    But we must admit our faults, and the real issues at hand, so we can address them.

    We can't stick our heads in the sand and pretend this or that isn't a real issue effecting folk, or we will be as guilty as so many others of pandering to our own selfish needs and blaming others, when we all need to be taking the collective blame and figuring out what to do about it.

    Like you can't fix a hole in a tyre by saying the it doesn't exist and the air outside the tyre just needs to learn how to get into the tyre on its own..


    Folk moving around is just part of the problem I recently discovered, it gets worse !

    Outside in - Involvements with reality Blog Archive IQ Shredders

    https://blog.jim.com/economics/the-c...-iq-shredders/

    Now it appears that folk like to move to cities, which only leads to extinction of our best genes !

    How do we solve that one..


    I guess mother nature will help readjust things by at some point taking our technology away so we are again walking around by foot, and this will curb our ability to travel very far..

    But surely we can figure out a technological solution which doesn't involve us devolving back to the stone age ?


    Related link which can help explain some of the science behind the first issue:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Our 'lines' are illusions..

    So, newspeak for:

    It's fine for me to come to your house and displace you into the street then ?
    You're welcome to try....
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Maybe the "reason" of a necessary leadership and/or hierarchy?

    It's almost living in a fantasy world to think that people are capable of leading and managing themselves.
    Sounds like a future politician...perhaps?

    The reality is most folks are more capable than you may know or believe....
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Conquering & Genocide is only what Some people do.

    This is what everyone does, think of it as to use a TZM term, structural violence..
    I don't think I would go that far. Structural Violence are just effects of the Economic System we are forced to participate in. Do we really have a choice here?

    Conquering/Genocide are much more intended & planned effects. I guess you can relate them in a Competitive type sense but still they come from different aims. I think one is more strictly about Competition while the other has added nefarious intentions. But I agree that they're both every bit as bad and Need to end.

    So as always it pretty much comes down to Competition. It's all being shaped by this unnecessary component in our Economic landscape. The Contradiction is that it's Great for the Capitalist Machine but Horrible for Human Health. Just like Conquering, Migration will have its negative side-effects for Everyone because it's still about Competing for Resources and of course there will be lots of Losers. We still seem to think that just because Competition is part of Nature, it follows that Everything must be about this. But I guess we still haven't fully realized that Cooperation is also part of Nature and should be a value we strive for in Economics.

    Because we are Deep in this Competitive Game in History and if we are True to ourselves, we will see that it's produced a lot of good in the World but compared to the Evil & Bad it also produces, it's imperative that we begin to critically analyze and Change how we do things. To stop Lying to ourselves and face Reality. That this World is Broken as Sh*t and Needs to operate under different Values & Priorities.

    But people Need to get away from all the Garbage out there in the World and look within themselves and listen to what their own Biology is telling them. That something is not right in their surroundings and is only obstructing & damaging the quality of their Life and the Life of others around them.
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    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." - Albert Einstein

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    "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." - Albert Einstein

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