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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    A good scientist would be open to that possibility rather than having an agenda to push.
    ok, i'm totally open to the possibility , but where is the evidence??? a good scientist withholds belief until there is enough evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Garry Kasparov is stupid, nah nah nah!".
    first point:
    Garry Kasparov is the greatest chess player of all time... soon to be surpassed by carlsen. i'm a chess player, a chess fan and i know most of his games by heart.

    being a great chess player has absolutely nothing to do with being smart!! its a sport and it requires a unique type of talent but being good at chess tell us nothing about his intelligence. looking at his political remarks i can tell you he isn't that smart.

    second point: he doesn't believe in god!! look at the interview where you cherry picked his words, he never mentioned believing in god. the interviewer pushed him again and again about his faith and finally he told him that his dad was a jew, his mom a christian so he's sort of a christian . look at the interview again, stop lying!!


    ROSEN: This is a personal question. I was surprised, in reading about you, to learn that Kasparov is not your birth name. And I first want to ask you: Do you identify yourself, do you think of yourself, as a Jew?

    KASPAROV: No; I'm Russian. My father was a Jew. My mother was an Armenian. But I was born in Baku. It's a multi-ethnic community; it's like melting pot, like New York, and I —

    ROSEN: But religiously —

    KASPAROV: No.

    ROSEN: — what is your religion? No?

    KASPAROV: No. I, I would call myself a Christian, you know, sort of self-appointed Christian. But I, I'm very indifferent to that.

    you also told us that Einstein believed in god but we know he didn't .... another lie.

    how can i take you seriously when you keep lying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    a good scientist withholds belief until there is enough evidence.
    Just like how you collected evidence that I said einstein was theist before you accused me of lying? Nah, you just assumed.

    you also told us that Einstein believed in god but we know he didn't .... another lie.

    how can i take you seriously when you keep lying?
    Where is the evidence that I said einstein believed in god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!

    Once again, you've made a fool of yourself. I would never say einstein was a theist because he was a materialist and spent 30 yrs trying to prove it, but failing. How can a materialist believe in god? If anything, I'd say einstein was agnostic because he couldn't prove materialism and he knew it. Just like Darwin and any good scientist.

    I searched for any mention of the word "einstein" by "sophicdrippins" and found 6 instances, none of which display me saying einstein was a theist.

    Show me your proof.

    Further evidence of your reading handicap:

    KASPAROV: No. I, I would call myself a Christian, you know, sort of self-appointed Christian. But I, I'm very indifferent to that.
    It means he is not religious. Why else would he call himself a christian if he doesn't believe in god? I guess only you can imagine calling yourself a christian for all the world to see when you don't believe in god.

    I would call myself a Christian, you know, sort of self-appointed Christian. But I, I don't believe in god. <--- makes no sense.

    I've collected 3 documented bits of evidence that says you can't read, that's in spite of being such a fan of reading. Goodness!

    ok, i'm totally open to the possibility , but where is the evidence???
    I gave you the evidence, but you didn't read it. Now that's 4 instances.

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    HOLY TOLEDO ! i can't read?? you don't even comprehend what you wrote. this is a direct quote:


    50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God - 50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God

    first one is Albert Einstein - Jewish.

    now listen, i have nothing against religion or the belief in a deity you are entitled to believe whatever you want. you can look at my previous posts and see for yourself that i never badmouthed religion.

    but you exaggerate, you are taking it too far you either try to deceive people or maybe its just miscommunication.

    but to me it does look like what Missionaries do, and you can't expect people here to keep quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    HOLY TOLEDO ! i can't read??
    That's correct. The ever-increasing amount of evidence suggests that you can't read.

    50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God - 50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God

    first one is Albert Einstein - Jewish.
    Einstein was a jew. The author of that list probably just assumed, just like you assumed I said he's theist.

    Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied extensively. He believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...lbert_Einstein

    now listen, i have nothing against religion or the belief in a deity you are entitled to believe whatever you want. you can look at my previous posts and see for yourself that i never badmouthed religion.
    No? Then what do you call this?

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    Smart people who believe in god is an oxymoron; if you believe in god in 2016, by definition you are not smart. sorry sophicdrippings.....
    You just called most of the inhabitants of earth "not smart", which is "badmouthing" and means you must have something "against" religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    you also told us that Einstein believed in god but we know he didn't
    Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...2C_and_atheism

    Now you've offended Einstein too.

    And he owes you one...

    According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people.[24] Einstein said in correspondence, "[T]he fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot hear the music of the spheres."[24][25] Although he did not believe in a personal God, he indicated that he would never seek to combat such belief because "such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook."[26]

    You've been officially denigrated by Einstein.

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    "An effect needing a cause necessitates the existence of a freewill entity. Call it god, ghost, unicorn, whatever you want to label it."

    "God could have been an alien life from another universe, who knows. But what I do know is something sentient made this place."

    So ..................... any Evidence ................. still searching .......

    The existence of a sentient freewill entity? But Whyyyyyyyy !?! Why does one lead to another?? Why can it be that something else happened. You mentioned Fallacious reasoning but your belief in a God is full of Logical Fallacies. Because the Universe exists therefore a God must have Created it is Void of any Logic to believe in it and purely Faith based. Because again no one has ever provided any Evidence to show any God has ever existed. If you believe in a God, it's then no different to believe in Bigfoot, Unicorns, Ghosts and so on...

    And another thing I'd like to point out is this. If Humanity were to discover that a God does exist and we can now communicate with him somehow and have some type of relationship with him. What's the point?! How would this new profound information even affect & change the World? I'm being serious here. God now present to the World for everyone to see & know this truth. How would anything even Change???

    I Highly Doubt that anything would. And that's Fckn Scary to think about. I mean seriously, are People/Societies know going to make this Giant Transformation into Moral/Civil Beings.... ? How Sad is it that I even ask this question.

    And one last question for my Friend SophicDrippins,

    Do you believe that a God is the most likely Answer we have or that a God is the Only true Answer we have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Einstein was a jew. The author of that list probably just assumed, just like you assumed I said he's theist.
    It seems this link was posted without checking the accuracy of the reference. This leads to misunderstandings.

    About whether Einstein in particular believed in "god" (whatever the definition is), this is probably not very relevant. Einstein was human and as such he was fallible and could be deceived, just as every human. Then I don't see either how this whole "belief in god" debate could be relevant to TZM and the transition, which is what this forum is about. Religions on the other hand should be considered as important influences because they teach social values. In general they encourage people to share more, which is what we need, but at the same time they try to extract money from the believers and keep insisting on archaic notions and, well, bullshit, which makes them quite contradictory and, well, hypocritical.

    Finally, a reminder to everyone: for a constructive debate we should all make an effort to attack only the contents of the posts and not the posters personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
    It seems this link was posted without checking the accuracy of the reference. This leads to misunderstandings.
    Understood, and honestly, I suspected a few were 'iffy'. But the accuracy of each was not necessary to show that intelligent people do believe in god. Call it "49 Nobel laureates" or 35 even, so what. Anyway, to my surprise, Einstein did believe in god, so the accuracy stands.

    About whether Einstein in particular believed in "god" (whatever the definition is), this is probably not very relevant. Einstein was human and as such he was fallible and could be deceived, just as every human.
    Do you mean to imply that every human who believes in god is deceived? My question remains unanswered: Why is it only the geniuses and the ordinary who are so consistently deceived? How can it be that the group who aren't quite smart enough to be geniuses are the only ones so enlightened to the truth? Doesn't that seem, by definition, impossible?

    Then I don't see either how this whole "belief in god" debate could be relevant to TZM and the transition, which is what this forum is about.
    Every forum has it's "general discussion" section. Besides, this movement is not going anywhere except extinction and we may as well use the board for something.

    Point 1) Staunch disbelievers of the afterlife - Always the first to quit.

    There's only a sliver of the world's population that are atheist enough to tolerate it; and in all likelihood, they are rich enough not to care about free stuff (since they are above-average intelligence, though not quite genius, they are likely rich). Atheists aren't numerous enough to define a movement nor do they possess the transcendental attributes that Einstein mentioned to have any staying-power in a movement such as this. Zeitgeist film #1 doomed the movement by offending the bulk of the earth's population while only pandering to a few.

    Atheists in general seem to only be good for the dispensation of hate, the evidence for which is abundantly clear on any youtube comments section (see here, for instance, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhZcEY5PCQ and look for DevilMonkey, David Mahfuz, Magorax and take special note of the discussion of the feeding christians to lions like in ancient Rome) and on here by the blanket declaration that "anyone who believes in god is stupid" and "obviously deceived".. including Einstein, Kasparov, Langan and any of the other world's smartest people.

    I've known muslims, hindus, buddhists and never once did the thought they are stupid come to my mind. If you can't look at someone who sees the world differently than you and not think they are stupid, then the problem is you and you'll never form an organization with people of such deep-seated hatred for ideological differences. It will never happen.

    Point 2) Too many members are autistic and/or devoid of any 'color', which is too bland for regular people. Is there even one woman here?

    Point 3) Further, the acronym TZM looks horrible. Zeitgeist sounds like poltergeist mixed with Nazism. Whoever named it, sealed its fate.

    Point 4) There is no leadership. If Peter and Jacque can't get along, how is the whole world supposed to?

    The whole thing needs to be revamped. The convenient appeal to the singular-use of the board is moot.

    Religions on the other hand should be considered as important influences because they teach social values. In general they encourage people to share more, which is what we need, but at the same time they try to extract money from the believers and keep insisting on archaic notions and, well, bullshit, which makes them quite contradictory and, well, hypocritical.
    Now that's true.

    Finally, a reminder to everyone: for a constructive debate we should all make an effort to attack only the contents of the posts and not the posters personally.
    That would be nice, but hey, Hal called me stupid before I claimed that he couldn't read, so don't lay that on my doorstep. I'm merely stating the summation of well-documented evidence in hopes he will read more diligently and collect facts before forming an opinion. You can't choose not to read my evidence then claim I have no evidence and consequently proclaim I'm stupid without some form of retort.

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    IMO; intellect has little to do with practicing a Religion....or Not practicing a religion....Having 'faith' in something or Not having faith in anything.....(both mindsets, when rigidly held, contain some religious aspects, no?)

    "Believing' or Not believing is more about an individuals personal 'awareness' or preference regardless of which way we may lean, or what some might label 'enlightened' ....rather than simply associating either 'choice' with any specific level of smartness....its just more generalizations and ignores the complexities inherent within the entire Human Species....
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    IMO; intellect has little to do with practicing a Religion....or Not practicing a religion....Having 'faith' in something or Not having faith in anything.....(both mindsets, when rigidly held, contain some religious aspects, no?)

    "Believing' or Not believing is more about an individuals personal 'awareness' or preference regardless of which way we may lean, or what some might label 'enlightened' ....rather than simply associating either 'choice' with any specific level of smartness....its just more generalizations and ignores the complexities inherent within the entire Human Species....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    "[B]The existence of a sentient freewill entity? But Whyyyyyyyy !?! Why does one lead to another?? Why can it be that something else happened.
    Step 1) Either the universe exists from a string of dominoes stretching to infinity or there was a first domino. Is there a 3rd possibility? Not that I can see.

    Step 2) Since there is no indication that an infinity exists, we have to favor there being a first domino. Otherwise you're forced to believe in the unicorn which is infinity without one shred of evidence to suggest it exists and while fending off all the ludicrous implications resulting from infinities.

    Step 3) Since we can't build a science around beliefs in unicorns, then we have to accept that first-domino hypothesis.

    Step 4) If there was a first domino, then someone had to push it.

    Who that "someone" was is not contained in the reasoning and is a separate debate.

    Quantum experiments (and even bigger experiments with molecules and even buckyballs) have exhaustively proven that observation is required for determinism to be determined. In other words, there had to be an observer in the beginning. If you believe there was not, then you have to propose an alternate theory to explain the results of the abundance of experiments stretching nearly a century.

    You mentioned Fallacious reasoning but your belief in a God is full of Logical Fallacies.
    See above.

    Because the Universe exists therefore a God must have Created it is Void of any Logic to believe in it and purely Faith based.
    Nope, see above.

    Because again no one has ever provided any Evidence to show any God has ever existed.
    Nope, see above.

    If you believe in a God, it's then no different to believe in Bigfoot, Unicorns, Ghosts and so on...
    Nope, see above.

    And another thing I'd like to point out is this. If Humanity were to discover that a God does exist and we can now communicate with him somehow and have some type of relationship with him. What's the point?! How would this new profound information even affect & change the World? I'm being serious here. God now present to the World for everyone to see & know this truth. How would anything even Change???
    I have no idea. I can only imagine communication between the creator and man would be equivalent to communication between bacteria and man. That's probably why Einstein didn't believe in a personal god.

    I Highly Doubt that anything would. And that's Fckn Scary to think about. I mean seriously, are People/Societies know going to make this Giant Transformation into Moral/Civil Beings.... ? How Sad is it that I even ask this question.
    I think that will grow into a giant debate because then we have to speculate on what god is and estimate the implications of him showing up.

    Do you believe that a God is the most likely Answer we have or that a God is the Only true Answer we have?
    Until I can figure out how an infinity can exist, god is the only answer I have.
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    Further reading on the absurdity of infinity: Infinity Doesn't Exist

    This infinite universe includes all number of absurd things. An infinite universe means there exists somewhere in space an exact clone of earth but where everyone has three legs. It means there exists a clone of earth where everything is identical but that I have one fewer atoms in my right hand. It means all the scenes from Star Wars (at least the physically correct bits) are going on right now somewhere in the universe. Not just this - it means this earth with three legged people must exist an infinite number of times. In an infinite universe every possible subset and combination of atoms exists in an infinite number of places. In an infinite universe there exists an infinite number of earth clones with Hitler still alive, and making a simple living running My Little Pony conventions.

    If you believe in an infinite universe you believe all of these things exist with certainty - the same certainty with which you believe that tomorrow will be Tuesday.


    All that, you believe, so you can be atheist? That's what I mean about the irony of atheists being the ones who believe in unicorns. You have to believe less incredible stuff to be a theist.

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