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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, I personally don't like to look at history because I think everybody at some point in time regardless of race have done horrible things.

    There's a saying, focus on the here and now.
    This is a clear example of why we keep repeating the same mistakes.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welcome View Post
    As a side note, I would also argue that the socioeconomic system we live under has an effect in developing this psychological illness.
    And it all comes back to our Socioeconomic issues. Our Failures in this aspect have continued to breed these type of sentiments. Fueling Generations of Anger/Hate towards one another. Competition in Capitalism easily becomes the underlying force for despising other groups. Could it be then that our Economic System is a Big part of the Problem? It all begins there, No?

    But Sadly most of the debates today are still only talking about the Problems we have today Without addressing the Root Causes. You can easily see this in the discussions on Politics, Corporations, Racism etc.. hardly no one wants to talk about how CAPITALISM Creates this type of divide amongst people. That's just one of the MANY reasons why all NLRBE Supporters are on the right path to solving these issues because We are talking & Focusing on the Socioeconomic Problems of our Economic System.

    To me, it should All begin here. Beginning with the question, what type of Economic System would bring to fruition Environmental Pride. Sustainable Pride. HUMAN Pride. Too Many people still believe that we can achieve this under Capitalism??? And there my Friends lies the Problem. But maybe before we can even All come together to talk about this, we must First realize that We are All HUMAN BEINGS FIRST before anything else.
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    From the Webster's New World College Dictionary; (emphasis is mine)

    CAPITALISM; an economic system in which all or most of the means of production and distribution, as LAND (the ROOT), factories, communication and transportation systems are 'privately owned' and operated in a competitive environment through investment of capital to produce profit (for the few) ...it is characterized by a tendency toward a 'concentration' of wealth, the growth of large corporations, etc., that has led to economic inequality, which has been dealt with 'usually' by increased government action and control (depending on who's running the Game)...

    Why on Earth do we do this to ourselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    And it all comes back to our Socioeconomic issues. Our Failures in this aspect have continued to breed these type of sentiments. Fueling Generations of Anger/Hate towards one another. Competition in Capitalism easily becomes the underlying force for despising other groups. Could it be then that our Economic System is a Big part of the Problem? It all begins there, No?

    But Sadly most of the debates today are still only talking about the Problems we have today Without addressing the Root Causes. You can easily see this in the discussions on Politics, Corporations, Racism etc.. hardly no one wants to talk about how CAPITALISM Creates this type of divide amongst people. That's just one of the MANY reasons why all NLRBE Supporters are on the right path to solving these issues because We are talking & Focusing on the Socioeconomic Problems of our Economic System.

    To me, it should All begin here. Beginning with the question, what type of Economic System would bring to fruition Environmental Pride. Sustainable Pride. HUMAN Pride. Too Many people still believe that we can achieve this under Capitalism??? And there my Friends lies the Problem. But maybe before we can even All come together to talk about this, we must First realize that We are All HUMAN BEINGS FIRST before anything else.
    Try as we might...some of us have been attempting to address the "ROOT" causes for decades, probably for millennia....to little avail....there's too many wannabes....wanting stuff...

    Even in this place, discussing the ROOT has been difficult if not impossible......from my perspective anyway.....


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    Some people on the Alt-Right would argue in favor for National Socialism because there appears to be positive benefits associated with ethnic homogeneity or racial homogeneity. How would proponents of the Zeitgeist Movement respond to that?
    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    How would proponents of the Zeitgeist Movement respond to that?
    First let me ask you - how would YOU respond to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    First let me ask you - how would YOU respond to that?
    I don’t know.

    There’s evidence to show that people are racially biased and one would think that all the conditioning from public education would prevent that yet it doesn’t. It appears that the fundamental truth is that like-minded individuals prefer to hang out with those like them.

    So the answer proponents of the Zeitgeist Movement would give is conditioning and reconditioning. The ultimate question then becomes, to what degree and how much conditioning and programming will be exercised? And what happens if persistent education and conditioning fails?

    In addition, some people might find the process of conditioning to be "too controlling" akin to a tyrannical government.
    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    There’s evidence to show that people are racially biased and one would think that all the conditioning from public education would prevent that yet it doesn’t.
    That's 13 years of conditioning from K-12. If you count college, then it would be 17 years of conditioning.
    "Change is almost always negative. Things degenerate." - Woody Allen

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    Despite our collective 'conditioning' we still have free will and the ability to educate ourselves.....

    We all need to stop pruning branches, pick up an ax or grub hoe and start chopping at the ROOT......

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Some people on the Alt-Right would argue in favor for National Socialism because there appears to be positive benefits associated with ethnic homogeneity or racial homogeneity. How would proponents of the Zeitgeist Movement respond to that?
    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    First let me ask you - how would YOU respond to that?
    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I don’t know.

    There’s evidence to show that people are racially biased and one would think that all the conditioning from public education would prevent that yet it doesn’t. It appears that the fundamental truth is that like-minded individuals prefer to hang out with those like them.

    So the answer proponents of the Zeitgeist Movement would give is conditioning and reconditioning. The ultimate question then becomes, to what degree and how much conditioning and programming will be exercised? And what happens if persistent education and conditioning fails?

    In addition, some people might find the process of conditioning to be "too controlling" akin to a tyrannical government.
    Have we already forgotten? I think Jacque Fresco has already provided solutions and explained them; here's an example:


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