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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I don't exactly know who you are referring to when you used the word "racist." I mean, why is it okay to have Black pride, Asian pride, and Hispanic pride but not White pride? If we are all about equality, shouldn't White people be able to express their White pride?
    Because you Need to put it all in Historical Context. All other Pride Movements in the Past came out of conditions of Oppressing these groups. For example, Black Love , Brown Pride where started to show Respect/Unity within these Groups of people. It had Nothing to do with Hating other groups. They where about Loving themselves in an Environment that made them feel Worthless.

    Now the problem with using White Pride. Just look at the History. It's full of Racist Hate Ideology. Many people have Suffered/Died under this type of belief system. I know that some people Today try and 'repackage' that word to mean only love for their "race" but when you have this type of Ugly History behind this word, good luck with getting most people to see beyond that and see it as something harmless & peaceful. Definitely Not in the America that's for sure.
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    There's only ONE race of Humans....who just happen to come in different colors and from other cultures depending on their region of birth.

    White members of society need to express more PRIDE? No...White members need more specific History lessons, both regarding their own enslavement by the wealthy classes as well as the oppression they then 'willingly' assisted in perpetuating.

    Besides; Isn't Pride one of those so-called 'deadly' sins? (I can admit being proud of my mixed heritage but can also argue against prideful behaviors that cause unnecessary pain and divisions)

    Dividing people into separate races (Tribes) only serves our Slavers by keeping us irrationally distrustful of each other....

    Despite the 'divisive' rhetoric from the White Right....our problems in this regard are all about 'CLASS' ....not Race.....its always been about Class......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Because you Need to put it all in Historical Context. All other Pride Movements in the Past came out of conditions of Oppressing these groups. For example, Black Love , Brown Pride where started to show Respect/Unity within these Groups of people. It had Nothing to do with Hating other groups. They where about Loving themselves in an Environment that made them feel Worthless.

    Now the problem with using White Pride. Just look at the History. It's full of Racist Hate Ideology. Many people have Suffered/Died under this type of belief system. I know that some people Today try and 'repackage' that word to mean only love for their "race" but when you have this type of Ugly History behind this word, good luck with getting most people to see beyond that and see it as something harmless & peaceful. Definitely Not in the America that's for sure.
    Oh, I'm sorry, I personally don't like to look at history because I think everybody at some point in time regardless of race have done horrible things.

    There's a saying, focus on the here and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, I personally don't like to look at history because I think everybody at some point in time regardless of race have done horrible things.
    Actually if anything that's what matters a little more than what someone's ancestors or relatives did. The problem with murders, muggers, rapists, burglars, etc. has nothing to do with their race or ethnicity, or what country or continent their ancestors came from as individuals. One of the things I often encounter is statistics being utilized to make race-based arguments. One thing on my "to do" list is to look into the usage of statistical mean as well as standard deviation or variance (SD/V); if two things have the same statistical mean but differing SD/V, there's a difference between those two situations & if not used properly can lead to faulty conclusions. There are also issues with using one type of statistic and ignoring another type of statistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    There's a saying, focus on the here and now.
    That's a saying I can agree with. What if that is what they're doing?

    BTW, there are also a sayings about not ignoring or disregarding history, such as one about those ignoring history being doomed to repeat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    If we are all about equality, shouldn't White people be able to express their White pride?
    No, that will make us equally bad... how about we treat people on an individual level regardless of their skin color?
    science has determined that there's no differences between 'races' and that we are all one race. as far as we can tell, you could take an aboriginal person(who didn't have contact with other humans for 40k years), and put him/her in any modern occupation - there are aboriginal phd's , fighter pilots etc.... they have the same capacity for language , and same cognitive abilities.

    racism shows a lack of understanding of how evolution works, because even 40 thousand years is not nearly enough to make any difference between species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    One of the things I often encounter is statistics being utilized to make race-based arguments. One thing on my "to do" list is to look into the usage of statistical mean as well as standard deviation or variance (SD/V); if two things have the same statistical mean but differing SD/V, there's a difference between those two situations & if not used properly can lead to faulty conclusions. There are also issues with using one type of statistic and ignoring another type of statistic.
    I totally agree , have you read how to lie with statistics?
    https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Stati.../dp/0393310728
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    there is also the good old 'IQ test' - i never took one, nor do i know anyone who did.... to determine one's "intelligence" based on some math, words and spatial problems is extremely shallow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, I personally don't like to look at history because I think everybody at some point in time regardless of race have done horrible things.

    There's a saying, focus on the here and now.
    I'm sorry too because if you Ignore History then you'll easily Repeat it. Oh wait too late.

    Funny thing is, you just showed Why you don't see a Problem with using the words White Pride. It leads to a little Cultural Insensitivity, No? Or a lot like we see Today in the World. The Uncaring Attitude of the Trumps, Blue Lives Matter or that guy in the Video you shared.

    It's all the same sheet! Humans attacking other Humans because they see them as "different". Culture, Economics, Politics, Religion etc.. fuels the Division between people that leads to all this Hate. Humans are too Divided/Detached from one another and that makes all this possible and still around Today.

    Just like the Man in the Video never mentioning anything about the Socioeconomic Culture that Blacks, Asians, Hispanics grow up in. Those Asians who become successful at those high end jobs do so because most of them come from Cultures that Support & Push for that kind of Success. They have the necessary Socioeconomic Cultural Background to help them achieve this. While a lot of Blacks/Hispanics come from a different type of Background. I can tell you from personal experience as an "Hispanic", I couldn't go to College nor was it even expected of me. Just finishing High School was a Great accomplishment. Growing up in Lower Income Neighborhoods with Families that never received Higher Educations themselves keeps these Communities repeating the same Struggle to get out of Poverty.

    But the man in the Video thinks that this is the "Natural" state of the 'races'. That Blacks/Hispanics are genetically not as smart as Asians/Whites. That's because like I said earlier, people like him Refuse to see the SYSTEMIC issues related to all of this. The Complete Picture. How can they when they themselves are coming from a Background that has taught them that they are Different, Better, Smatter than those 'other' folks. And so most likely, they will Repeat & Pass On these beliefs because like you said, they might not like to look at History. And so the Giant Mess we see Today in our World Continues where Everyone is running around in circles Blaming the next Man all the while getting Used by someone else.

    We're all Suckers being Played by this Giant Made-Up Game we call Life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I mean, why is it okay to have Black pride, Asian pride, and Hispanic pride but not White pride?
    It depends what you mean by "okay." Legally it should be okay. Logically it is not okay.

    There is no logic in having pride over something you had no part of. Whatever someone's great-great-grandparent did is something the descendant had no part of. Racial pride follows that premise, therefore it is illogical.

    It's fine to be interested in family and ethnic history, but there's a difference between interest and pride. The latter can lead to racism in the form of racial stratification and even outright genocide. Nobody benefits from that, at least not in the long run due to blowback. Now that we have weapons capable of blowing up the world and causing the extinction of humanity and other life through mutually assured destruction, it is imperative for humans to reduce stratification and its inevitable outcome of violent conflict in whatever ways possible to ensure our survival as a species.

    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    If we are all about equality, shouldn't White people be able to express their White pride?
    Yes. Freedom of speech. But there's a caveat to that. People need to be educated so they are able to realize that racial pride is illogical. Racism cannot be defeated through laws or threats of violence, but through education and enlightenment.

    As a side note, I would also argue that the socioeconomic system we live under has an effect in developing this psychological illness. As a system that incentivizes competition for resources, it creates economic stratification and unnecessary social rituals that cause people to become stressed and untrusting of others. It is harder to think rationally when stressed, hence intellectual laziness emerges, and then you decide to blame other ethnicities or nationalities for your problems as a pressure relief valve for the pent-up stress. This is why I don't really get angry at (but more so frustration with) xenophobic and racist people, like many Trump supporters, as I understand that they are uninformed and psychologically ill, not "evil." If only they knew better, they would be more like us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, I personally don't like to look at history because I think everybody at some point in time regardless of race have done horrible things.

    There's a saying, focus on the here and now.
    This is a clear example of why we keep repeating the same mistakes.......
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