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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    Lots of maybe's and what if's in this discussion....Here's another; maybe, humans perceive themselves as above all other life forms due to eons of conditioning and manipulation. Perhaps, our arrogance and self entitlement is getting in the way of human beings further evolutionary advancement....and the collective recognition, that we are just a small piece of the 'super organism' we call Earth.

    What would be wrong or disappointing (and to whom?) to discover that we 'may' just turn (back) to dust when we pass on? Who or what would suffer with that discovery becoming common knowledge? Who or what would benefit?

    Life itself is about expanding consciousness, both individually and collectively as a species, no? The Mayan believed it was our only purpose for being born........

    A Pondering statement; "The Universe contains no more or less matter today than it did at its beginning" (we ain't making any more!)
    A Pondering statement; "The Universe contains no more or less matter today than it did at its beginning" (we ain't making any more!)
    That's only true until it's not. There is a theory that Dark Matter is composed of people or somethings thoughts.

    Cosmic Dust, as above so below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris4629 View Post
    I mentioned the following in another thread but I felt it that important to start a new thread on this topic.

    The people who choose to stay (like most definitely myself) have a very strong resonation with the after-life.

    On the other hand,I've noticed a very common trend among those who stay with our group for a little while and then quit on us. The trend that is very, very prevalent are people who are staunch disbelievers of the after-life and because of their reductionist materialism views, believe that life is simply an accident and that there is no higher meaning or purpose to why they are here.

    The famous Bill Hicks quote says "All matter is merely condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, Life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."
    That's an interesting observation that people who see something else, tend to see something else.

    Bill Hicks quote reminds me of this:


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    It looks to me like it is you who are being very negative about these people who quit on you and that you have formed a conjecture (which you have backed up with something you claim to be scientific evidence) that it is their belief system that is your problem. You are perhaps wishing they wouldn't give up and that that would mean that this movement would grow and become stronger.

    It is possible to look at their reactions in other ways. All of us are works in progress -- we have learned some things and not learned others. You have learned that there is something after this life and they have not. You derive hope and commitment from that, while some people whose life path has not brought them that knowledge do not have that well of hope to draw from. That is to say everyone of us makes mistakes and it is okay to make mistakes and grow from them. We all have our path of learning and growing in this life -- perhaps in time life will teach them the truth you know very well.

    What isn't going to be okay is the attitude of harsh criticism and judgement that informs your message. That is a form of violence against other people and it would be best if you as a member of this movement would act to remove from your thought processes the violent notions you have expressed. You and I and all of us carry within ourselves the modes violence that are prevalent in this system and it is understandable that we do from time to time fall into those patterns. The good news is that you have found something you can change the world for the better -- you have the choice to heal this bit of negativity and judgementalism within you and thereby bring a bit of healing to this Earth you are a tiny piece of.

    And you will make that choice if that is where your path in life in this moment takes you and not because I or anyone thinks you should.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris4629 View Post
    I mentioned the following in another thread but I felt it that important to start a new thread on this topic.

    Without going into great detail again, because I've already done that in another thread, Reductionist Materialism has been proven to be false. There are huge gaping holes in that theory which is really completely outdated "science" dating back to over 200 years ago and since then, Quantum Physics, which has turned out to be a far greater predictor, has shot that theory full of holes so-to-speak. Another very important thing to mention is that there have been studies of the brains of different people where they were asked to read quotes from reductionist materialist "scientists" that basically said there is no after-life and that we're "only just a pack of neurons." What they've noticed from all these test subjects is that when they spoke these quotes, the parts of their brain that involved feelings of helplessness, despair (and basically an urge to quit on life) lit up like a five o'clock alarm. So I guess that's not surprising to me, that's certainly everything I've seen within the 2 groups that I founded. That also includes 1 person who was a part of our group but quit on us, who was a staunch reductionist materialist who killed himself just recently. I look at this mindset as it's basically a mental illness because mental illness affects the same part of the brain. How could it not be mental illness? Besides that, new science (Quantum Physics) can prove reductionist materialism as illogical, and to believe something that has been proven illogical is also a form of mental illness.

    The famous Bill Hicks quote says "All matter is merely condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, Life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

    This Bill Hicks quote, specifically spoken by Bill Hicks, has been in the Zeitgeist movies. Peter Joseph has also mentioned this quote a number of times as well as even used it in a lecture he gave. So it appears quite obvious that the founder of The Zeitgeist Movement himself understands that this IS a very necessary and critical component of the great paradigm shift. This IS at the central core of what The Zeitgeist Movement is about because if we ever make it to a Resource Based Economy, it's gonna take people actually believing that we can make it to that point and not just give up and quit because they find no higher meaning in their own life and then end up using their poison to affect other people that way.

    So to those of you who are reductionist materialists, I think it's good to have you all in TZM but please check your cynicism and disbelief at the door. Otherwise without having any faith or any hope, we're gonna kill ourselves.
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    The most fascinating insight into the interplay between what is deemed physical and spiritual aspects that I have found are in the traditional African belief systems. Here creation is regarded not as the action of some grand omnipotent deity, but rather as the reformation of that which has no beginning. take the big bang theory, something had to be there to go bang.... what caused the bang who knows but it happened. Everything has energy (life) even rocks and stones and may be represented by a 'deity'-simply a metaphorical creation to help in understanding of the related values and principles (folktales, myths) - this is represented in the scientific sphere by a commonality between All matter on the sub atomic level (protons,electrons,neutrons,higgs boson etc). interesting to think that the most ancient and grossly mis-represented(called animist, polytheistic etc) belief systems in all of human history are easiest to draw comparison to the scientific method. Human beings attempting to understand and align with nature and its systems was a tradition long before 'history' and its portrayal of human arrogance began' (see book by chukwunyere kamalu - Foundations of African thought- very interesting read
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    Quote Originally Posted by WowGod89 View Post
    The most fascinating insight into the interplay between what is deemed physical and spiritual aspects that I have found are in the traditional African belief systems. Here creation is regarded not as the action of some grand omnipotent deity, but rather as the reformation of that which has no beginning. take the big bang theory, something had to be there to go bang.... what caused the bang who knows but it happened. Everything has energy (life) even rocks and stones and may be represented by a 'deity'-simply a metaphorical creation to help in understanding of the related values and principles (folktales, myths) - this is represented in the scientific sphere by a commonality between All matter on the sub atomic level (protons,electrons,neutrons,higgs boson etc). interesting to think that the most ancient and grossly mis-represented(called animist, polytheistic etc) belief systems in all of human history are easiest to draw comparison to the scientific method. Human beings attempting to understand and align with nature and its systems was a tradition long before 'history' and its portrayal of human arrogance began' (see book by chukwunyere kamalu - Foundations of African thought- very interesting read
    Hello Wow! Interesting perspectives! Stick around, we have a bit of a 'god' conversation going on the 47th page of this thread The Rise of The Alt Right Feel free to join in. No opinion about god is wrong
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