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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertmunch View Post
    Have there been any studies pertaining to this? Like I myself do agree that with proper management and use of resources that we could provide and much higher standard of living for everyone on the planet. However I only believe this because with technology improving so fast I assume that there has to been sustainable ways to do pretty much everything so we should be able to do it. Peter and Jacque say a lot that the earth can support the current population+more and be sustainable but how do they know this, is it an assumption?

    Is there any research data showing how many people the earth can support, working off a humans needs to survive happily?
    There was a research conducted at mit in the 90's that showed without a shadow of a doubt that earth can support human population with ease, although i can't find it.
    a few places to start:
    Overpopulation is a myth |- a nice website about the subject.

    or go staright to the source:
    WFP | United Nations World Food Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
    Hunger[Inflammatory word removed. Please be civil and respectful]| FAO | Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations

    both of these websites are no joke. they use current data and statistics to back up their claims.

    Please read them carefully, and if anyone can find the mit study, or another study i will be interested to see them.

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    In the US, back in the 1800s when the colonies were becoming industrialized (creating the middle class) or expanding to the west, statistics showed that families living in the country had several (or more) children while those in the urbanizing Northeast were having on average 1-2 children; suggesting that farm-life needed more hands to help, while the middle class women chose (by some form of birth control) to have only 1 or 2 children because of the development of the market which freed them of labors that were previously accomplished by the family unit and now depended on the husband's wages to buy those items. So it would seem that the creation of labor jobs and the market took away from the family need to be self-sustained, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing, however the inequality of sexes, slavery, and religious restraints (imho) caused problems that held us back and are still struggling to overcome.

    That being said (perhaps all for nothing, lol), I don't think it would likely be an issue. Some people want only a couple kids, while others want several. Some people choose to use birth control, others don't; so it's unlikely that population would spike, if that's what you are wondering. Doesn't seem like something to be too concerned about (imo). Perhaps down the road population growth will decline because a sense of community will give people higher standards and won't feel the need to look for love in all the wrong places...or something to that effect.

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    didn't read through the entire thread and most of you here might have already listened to it but PJ just talked about this in the most current radio podcast today:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxG107QcDw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertmunch View Post
    Peter and Jacque say a lot that the earth can support the current population+more and be sustainable but how do they know this, is it an assumption?
    If the earth is sustaining its population now, with such inefficiencies in place, then remove the inefficiencies and what will we have?

    Is there any research data showing how many people the earth can support, working off a humans needs to survive happily?
    Why do we need a study to show (R)esources - (I)nefficiencies = (S)ustanability, therefore R > S

    What's needed to sustain life are the elements (C, H, O, N, Ca, Mg, S, P, etc). Clearly, there are enough.

    The inefficiencies arise in arranging those elements into usable forms (ie H2O, C6H12O6 ,etc)

    Plants take the energy from the sun and store it in carbohydrate by joining H20 with CO2. Animals release that energy by breaking carbs into H20 and CO2. So the elements are recycled and not consumed. The only limiting factor is the sun and number of elements. I can't see either as being limiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    If the earth is sustaining its population now, with such inefficiencies in place, then remove the inefficiencies and what will we have?



    Why do we need a study to show (R)esources - (I)nefficiencies = (S)ustanability, therefore R > S

    What's needed to sustain life are the elements (C, H, O, N, Ca, Mg, S, P, etc). Clearly, there are enough.

    The inefficiencies arise in arranging those elements into usable forms (ie H2O, C6H12O6 ,etc)

    Plants take the energy from the sun and store it in carbohydrate by joining H20 with CO2. Animals release that energy by breaking carbs into H20 and CO2. So the elements are recycled and not consumed. The only limiting factor is the sun and number of elements. I can't see either as being limiting.

    YES!!!!! Can you all 'hear' me rejoicing this statement of clear understanding of our collective predicament????

    There it is Man, Applause are in order......As has been endlessly repeated by my tired old self, beating what some obviously believe is a Dead Horse, but is really me....just chopping the ROOT.......


    "SCARCITY IS AN ILLUSION"......"ABUNDANCE IS ALL AROUND US" The Earth provides ALL that we need......but is under the ownership/control of speculators, resource grabbers, and LANDLORDS....you all know them as the GREEDY.

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