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    Why Venus Project would lead humanity to extinction.

    Weather we like to admit it or not everything in life is about sex.All organisms need to survive and reproduce.Since humans don't have natural predators,we basically only need to reproduce.And in ideal environment like Resource Based Economy,humans would not have to worry about survival at all,so we would only need to reproduce.
    The current system that we live in,and every other that we have lived before is about competition.We compete for resources the way we compete for sex.We want our children to have as much resources,and best possible genetics.That's why men are very competitive.They want to accumulate as much resources to impress females and to get sex in return.
    If you give all men equal access to resources,the only thing women will start looking for in a man is his genetics.So women will only pick men only for his looks.That way only a small percentage of men will have success with women,maybe 20-30%.The monogamy will seize to exist and humans will become polygamous.
    Some men will have harems,while others will be lonely and sexless.They will resort to porn,video games and various addictions.They wont have any motivation to do anything,because females will not respect their success,and they will only have sex with most attractive men.
    This is already slowly happening today.Thanks to technology,our jobs are becoming easier than before.We dont need strong men with big muscles to do work.We have machines,computers and robots.Since jobs are easy,women are becoming ambitious,and work easy jobs and get lots of money.Through feminism they fight to get even more money,so they can have sex with attractive men and raise their offspring,since women never actually wanted to mate with ugly or average men,they were just forced to do it because they needed resources from them.They often had men raise their prrvious partner's child or even cheated on their husbands with some other guys thus making paternity frauds.
    Just look at Japan today.It's a country which is probably closest to Resource Based Economy,due to it's high technological development and social programs.The country's population is rapidly declining,because men are not interested in sex and dating.The so called "herbivore men" are only interested in self grooming,playing video games,watching anime and reading fiction.
    Instead women are becoming ambitious to support kids.This way we would have lots of broken families,children being raised without fathers and majority of male population who is passive,suicidal or homicidal.

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    While that may be true, necessary for the sake of species longevity, evidence indicates desire for the experience may actually be a manufactured response no different than any other pleasure experience. Curiosity leads people to seek the experience a first time. The effect of that experience, positive or negative, will then contribute to a person's continued pursuit of such an experience. A second or third experience may be sought to verify the first but the mind will yield to whether the experience is pleasurable or not. It is then important at this point for society to not ostracize those who do not develop a desire as it is unnecessary for every individual to engage in the act at this point of our evolution
    According to Psychology today, approximately 20% of the population, mostly women lack a sexual desire but it does occur in men as well. Sexual Desire Disorder | Psychology Today

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    For roughly 200,000 years humans roamed the Earth in small 'cooperating' ... and largely egalitarian bands, freely having sex with whomever was in the band. Resulting children were 'everyones' responsibility. It was with the introduction of agriculture, along with more importantly, the 'written word' (and its suppression by MEN) that everything began changing toward the patriarchal/competitive society we currently reside in.

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    Woman also 'select' for being funny, caring, having emotions, being creative... although it's scarcity of resources that can drive people to select against that and go for the money if possible.

    Humans are also not strictly monogamous or polygamous, but always have been more serial monogamous (monogamous for a x years, switch partner after that or cheat on them). Not an issue in a tribe where everybody raises the children but more of an issue in modern society with core families.

    Japans population is declining partially because it's just too expensive to raise a child and takes away from the culturally dictated long hours killing a career instantly. Dating leads to a relation, leads to marrying and children, so it's better to not date and spend time on other things. Giving access to resources and lower dependency on jobs could change this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaseaP View Post
    Woman also 'select' for being funny, caring, having emotions, being creative... although it's scarcity of resources that can drive people to select against that and go for the money if possible.

    Humans are also not strictly monogamous or polygamous, but always have been more serial monogamous (monogamous for a x years, switch partner after that or cheat on them). Not an issue in a tribe where everybody raises the children but more of an issue in modern society with core families.

    Japans population is declining partially because it's just too expensive to raise a child and takes away from the culturally dictated long hours killing a career instantly. Dating leads to a relation, leads to marrying and children, so it's better to not date and spend time on other things. Giving access to resources and lower dependency on jobs could change this.

    Not really.Women are shallow and materialistic.They only care about looks and money.
    Not just Japan,it's symptomatic for the developed countries to have low birth rate.Yes,raising a child is expensive,but still countries like Norway have all the necessities for raising a child,high paying jobs,paternity leave etc.Still what keeps the Norway population steady is immigrants.
    Here is an interesting article.

    The Sexodus, Part 1: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society - Breitbart

    I know that zeitgeist has tried to refute "human" nature in its movies,but Peter is forgetting that we are not humans at all,we are just advanced animals.We are still driven by primitive instincts,and logical societal order is not possible.If Resource Based Economy is a logical step in humanity's development,than it will happen naturally,without needing to be advocated and fought for.
    All organisms on the planet have a natural cycle:the are born,they thrive and progress and they eventually die.The same goes for species,all the species eventually go extinct.I think it's logical to assume that the same will happen to humans.The dinosaurs went extinct because they became to big for this planet,they consumed too many resources,and they went extinct.

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    to asteroth; Really? I suppose that's one perspective we could entertain. Bashing women ……… The source (Breitbart) is telling, no?...…. Can I suggest that you meet and extend more relationships with more women ….w/out you being too offended?……...or is your mind made up on this negative opinion about women?

    I don't believe any of the Z films 'refuted human nature' or tried to….but that's my personal perspective and as we all know (or should know) "The truth depends on where we stand" ….

    Extinction or evolution? Evolve/adapt or die? I suspect dinosaurs had little to say (or had acquired the ability to 'realize' their fate) as their own extinction took hold.

    One can only hope that humanity has their act a little more together than species now extinct, those that 'could not' adapt and/or evolve. As a species we can work and advocate for humans, including our own efforts, that enable us to make reasonable and rational decisions for the future based on past 'reality based' experience, knowledge and determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asteroth View Post
    Not really.Women are shallow and materialistic.They only care about looks and money.
    This is very negative stuff. Are men perfect? Aren't most of the greedy ceo's of forbes 500 men?
    Groups like 'men rights movement (mra) ' and radical feminism have been bamboozled by the elite to fight with each other.
    The old tactic of divide and conquer - let the population fight with each other and distract them from the fact that they are being exploited by the elite.

    Women in general are just like men - most of them likes money and prefer good looks. Nothing too surprising here.

    Quote Originally Posted by asteroth View Post
    I know that zeitgeist has tried to refute "human" nature in its movies,but Peter is forgetting that we are not humans at all,we are just advanced animals.We are still driven by primitive instincts,and logical societal order is not possible.
    This is partly true. We evolved from animals, but we are different in many ways.
    Animals don't have society, they don't have marriages or laws, they can't read and right. No animal can debate about stuff like we are doing now.
    I agree with you that we are still driven by primitive instincts, but we can mitigate those instincts and still have a society. There is no contradiction here, although it is a big challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by asteroth View Post
    If Resource Based Economy is a logical step in humanity's development,than it will happen naturally,without needing to be advocated and fought for.
    It is starting to happen as we speak and we are part of the process. It is a long process that can take 20 - 200 years or even more. There will not be a day when everybody suddenly wakes up to rbe, but a continous process.

    Quote Originally Posted by asteroth View Post
    All organisms on the planet have a natural cycle:the are born,they thrive and progress and they eventually die.The same goes for species,all the species eventually go extinct.I think it's logical to assume that the same will happen to humans.The dinosaurs went extinct because they became to big for this planet,they consumed too many resources,and they went extinct.
    Eventually we will go extinct. Even if we will survive global warming, ice ages and meteors, the sun will set and never rise again in about 5 billion years. I personally don't believe in inter-stellar travel
    because of the immense distances, so that will be the end of the solar system.

    The dinosaurs roamed the earth for 135 million years, they had a great ride... The journey is probably more fun and important than the end result.
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    The good ol' saying "Women are evil" is not for nothing.But I disagree,I don't think women are evil,they are rather attracted to evil.The most attractive men are those who are violent,aggressive and territorial.Most beautiful women would rather date a criminal,sociopath or a rapist,rather than an average nice guy.You should research a phenomenon called hybristophilia-the love for serial killers.
    The most evil serial killers and rapists like Ted Bundy used to get hundreds of love letters a day.Jeremy Meeks,criminal,murderer and rapist,is adored by millions of women worldwide.
    Here is also an interesting study-women find the most gas guzzling destructive cars to be most attractive-Trucks,SUVs and sport cars.So if you want an attractive girl,be sure to polute the environment as much as you can.
    https://autos.yahoo.com/news/study--...222507614.html

    How do you expect me to believe that peace on earth is possible if this aberrant,aggressive and destructive behavior is supported,and even rewarded with sex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asteroth View Post
    The good ol' saying "Women are evil" is not for nothing.But I disagree,I don't think women are evil,they are rather attracted to evil.The most attractive men are those who are violent,aggressive and territorial.Most beautiful women would rather date a criminal,sociopath or a rapist,rather than an average nice guy.You should research a phenomenon called hybristophilia-the love for serial killers.
    The most evil serial killers and rapists like Ted Bundy used to get hundreds of love letters a day.Jeremy Meeks,criminal,murderer and rapist,is adored by millions of women worldwide.
    Here is also an interesting study-women find the most gas guzzling destructive cars to be most attractive-Trucks,SUVs and sport cars.So if you want an attractive girl,be sure to polute the environment as much as you can.
    https://autos.yahoo.com/news/study--...222507614.html

    How do you expect me to believe that peace on earth is possible if this aberrant,aggressive and destructive behavior is supported,and even rewarded with sex?
    This obtuse rant from an obvious malcontented women hater just offended half of the worlds population, including all of our Mother's, sisters, wives and daughters. I'll again suggest that the author begin meeting more women, and if there is no stomach for doing that, there's still plenty of available historical evidence that has been written refuting these kinds of twisted/lame opinions. I think the OP has been greatly misguided and/or perhaps hurt by some women during his/her (?) lifetime. Lack of sexual gratification can have profound, sometimes not so pleasant effects on some guys….as can getting rejected over and over and over. Am I getting warm?

    "Good Ol Saying?????" Right……...

    Haters of all stripes are growing more obsolete and less relevant every day……..Can't most of you TZM readers FEEEEEL it too?




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    Research does back up asteroth's position of that women may indeed be attracted to "bad boys" instinctively. According to Psychology Today, an experiment was conducted to determine what attracts females by having two different categories of males, both categories possessed the same qualities with the exception that one category possessed the Dark Triad characteristics.

    "Dark Triad personality traits of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellism. The hallmarks of narcissism include dominance, a sense of entitlement, and a grandiose self-view"

    "Psychopathy is comprised of callousness, a lack of empathy, and antisocial, erratic behavior"

    "Machiavellianism is comprised of duplicity, insincerity and extraversion"

    "women may be drawn to ‘bad boys’, who demonstrate confidence, stubbornness, and risk-taking tendencies."

    What this indicates is that women are looking for is confidence, stubbornness, and risk-taking tendencies in men. When one considers the role women have traditionally played as the stay at home mother and for the most part still continue to play, then this makes. There is a trust that is placed on the male to make sure the family does not starve and these characteristics can serve as an indicator of a viable long term mate. The problem is that dealing with survival on an individual level a male will develop psychopathic, narcissistic and Machiavellian tendencies to a higher degree than males who are able to survive in social settings. Since we live in an unbalanced system currently, the Dark Triad personalities will dominate more often and be successful as they are the most willing to not play by the artificial rules society imposes.

    This study does in no way confirm that women will have sex with these kinds of guys, only that they have an attractiveness to these kinds of guys. Again these are environmental variable conditions that compel people to certain kinds of actions. The pleasure mechanism offsets this a bit as "male and male" and "female and female" couplings occur and these in no way lead to species reproduction.

    Why Do Women Fall for Bad Boys? | Psychology Today

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