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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    This obtuse rant from an obvious malcontented women hater just offended half of the worlds population, including all of our Mother's, sisters, wives and daughters. I'll again suggest that the author begin meeting more women, and if there is no stomach for doing that, there's still plenty of available historical evidence that has been written refuting these kinds of twisted/lame opinions. I think the OP has been greatly misguided and/or perhaps hurt by some women during his/her (?) lifetime. Lack of sexual gratification can have profound, sometimes not so pleasant effects on some guys….as can getting rejected over and over and over. Am I getting warm?

    "Good Ol Saying?????" Right……...

    Haters of all stripes are growing more obsolete and less relevant every day……..Can't most of you TZM readers FEEEEEL it too?




    "Before you go pointing fingers make sure your own hands are clean" -ST Bob Marley
    I'd suggest you to stop making petty ad hominem insults towards me and actually try to refute my claims with viable counter arguments.
    I do not need to meet more women,the more women I meet my opinions become true.
    You are probably insulted because you are a woman yourself and you cannot stand the truth or some kind of a male feminist.

    I'd suggest you to watch these videos.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUg4Wkty_E4

    And tell me do we live in a fair society where women are basically forgive for whatever they do and men are punished even when they are innocent.How do you expect me to believe that women are good when they can do whatever they want without getting punished?

    @ MARVIN A D

    Your post makes a lot of sense.I know what are you trying to say.Women are basically attracted to traits in men that were useful for survival in some arhaic times.
    Today those qualities are destructive and counter productive.
    I disagree Dark Triad characteriistics dominate in this society.I think it's quite the opposite,the current society is keeping these men from being dominant.Those kind of men usualy end up in jail,poor ,addicted to drugs or gambling or dead.
    I really don't see how would RBE make these men productive.Would Ted Bundy,whose motives were purely sexual,still be a murderer and rapist in RBE?How would these cavemen be punished in a society without police and jails?

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    True. We don't know what the full range of benefits/consequences would be regarding an RBE model. What we are fairly certain of is that much of the poverty based crimes, as the evidence is pretty strong towards, has a direct relationship to income level and education level. As for the other types of crimes(passion based, curiosity based, and political based) of which pleasure crimes are a subset of passion. This aspect of the RBE regarding the latter is still hypothetical as it deals with a person's perception of reality but also is strongly linked to environmental conditioning. I do not feel we can address the latter until we have resolved the former. Consequence of the universe and space/time itself is any action taken always occurs sequentially before and after a different action can take place. As far as the endgame scenario presented by some RBE advocates, that is intended to help people begin to question the current paradigm and think in possible alternatives. As for specific solutions regarding potential problems of a scenario that does not exist yet, that is bit to soon and to high an expectation level to answer properly at this time. The foundational information and support needed to begin the process to address the non survival based crimes will most likely not begin until we have removed the survival based motivators from the equation. This is how science works by removing variables of causality to get to the root cause.
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    According to this statistics all men are looking for a woman between 20 and 22 years old. Probably including all the right fertility signs (healthy bottom, golden cut waist, symmetric face, long hair without signs of health issues...) This of course is also determined by evolution, especially in those dark triad types. SO it's probably a bit from both sides.

    But now that the pendulum has swung to the other side and things didn't work out like the most fundamentalist claimed, it will change again.

    There are also indications that there are often self esteem issues that drive women towards the dark triad types. So this could also be related to the lack of education and security (financial, abusive) in the home situation. On the other side there is the princess syndrome often caused by materialistic spoiling by absent parents. Both are often caused by capitalistic conditions.
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    Oh my……

    I'm uncertain where all this crap comes from or what bashing half the world's population has to do with 'anything' concerning TZM - or our collective future so I'll bid farewell to 'this' particular thread after one more attempt at challenging/exposing some propaganda disguised as fact, especially since the OP took such offense to earlier comments….and of more concern to me personally, is the troubling lack of commentary related to offensive 'hate filled' assertions made by asteroth….who as already suggested….IMO, needs to get out and meet more woman. But I think I understand why he's had some issues with women, its not like he's hiding his true feelings from anyone...

    So to asteroth, regarding the insults directed my way and toward women in general. That's OK with you, right? However, challenging 'your personal truth'……that's not OK. Is that about right? Psychologists have a name for that kind of irrational behavior.

    Done is done….Sorry for engaging….

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    Woman and Man are not the same/equal, different functions in the same system. Without one or the other there is no System..

    I,m not convinced by anything that you have referenced so far that VP would lead to the extinction of humanity, good drama though, no?

    The model has not been conceived, yet everyone already knows the results of the experiment.

    Ludic fallacy

    Description

    The alleged fallacy is a central argument in the book and a rebuttal of the predictive mathematical models used to predict the future – as well as an attack on the idea of applying naďve and simplified statistical models in complex domains. According to Taleb, statistics is applicable only in some domains, for instance casinos in which the odds are visible and defined. Taleb's argument centers on the idea that predictive models are based on platonified forms, gravitating towards mathematical purity and failing to take various aspects into account:

    It is impossible to be in possession of the entirety of available information
    Small unknown variations in the data could have a huge impact. Taleb differentiates his idea from that of mathematical notions in chaos theory, e.g. the butterfly effect
    Theories/models based on empirical data are claimed to be flawed as they may not be able predict events previously unobserved events, but have tremendous impact, e.g., the 9/11 terrorist attacks or the invention of the automobile.
    Example 2: Job interview

    A person considers to attend a job interview. He recently studied statistics and utility theory in college and performed well in the exams. Considering whether to take the interview, he tries to calculate the probability that he will get accepted. Furthermore, he estimates the length of the interview.

    This particular job seeker does not take into account that real life has more variables than the subset he has chosen from. Even with a low probability of success of getting accepted, an attractive job may be worth the effort of attending to the interview. Will he enjoy the process of the interview? Will his interview technique improve regardless of whether he gets the job or not? Even the statistics of the job business are non-linear. What other jobs could come the man's way by meeting the interviewer? Might there be a possibility of a very high pay-off in this company that he has not thought of?
    Everything Is Possible. Nothing Is True.
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    What do you know when the time is up and the door to the box is opened?
    It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness.

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    I looked into the materials about this. It seems there is truth in what asteroth says, although he is a bit too one-sided about it. It seems there is a while spectrum of opinions going from men defending radical feminism to women heavily bashing feminists, while the main response of men seems to slowly gravitate towards staying away, indifference and ignoring women.

    It seems to be true that there are cultural values that seriously can mess with the man/woman role in society. The Japan example goes pretty deep. From what I've seen, the tradition there is for the man to give all his salary to the wife. She will give him a small allowance. (perhaps this used to be to prevent them drinking too much) Meanwhile you had men basically work themselves to death to get that salary. So a lot of what is the herbivore culture comes from that the women expect men to marry them and fill that traditional role while the men basically come to the conclusion that if most women expect that, they better stay away from women.

    In the Western cultures the argument is more that woman have been given power to protect themselves, but a number of them turned around to abuse that power. Examples there are that a simple accusation of rape, even if it's a complete lie, will totally ruin a career. A divorce will often be in the favor of the wife and this is sometimes used as a tool for a better life. Another example is that when the number of women at a work environment gets above 40%, they will start to demand a lot of concessions that drives men away... A number of men in Western culture will therefor just stay away from relationships (personal and work) with women as they are seen too risky for too few rewards.

    Of course that is not true for all cultures (think Islam for example. Europe is a bit mixed) ergo will not lead to human extinction. But some cultures will and are already suffering.

    Venus Project simply says that with removing money from the equation and giving everybody a decent standard of living, a lot of what drives this behavior will be removed as a lot is still about money and power.

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    Do you all remember the phrase "Rule of Thumb?"

    It comes from a Husbands "right" to beat his wife (property), but only with a stick no bigger than the size of his thumb, and was outlawed in the U.S. just over 100 years ago, although it hasn't stopped violence against women. The last stat I saw on this subject was that a women is beaten by a man in America every 10 seconds….I forget how many die per day/week/year.

    IMO; If 'some' women are abusing their 'newly obtained' power, after suffering eons as little more than slaves …..they/we have men to thank for it.

    Can you all tell that I like/LOVE women? They remain some of my favorite people. I think 'some' men today feel powerless and are upset because they can't just openly beat women into submission as easily as our ancestors once did, thus they 'believe' (rightly or wrongly) they have become powerless or subservient to women, when in reality we've just become more equal.

    It's time to modernize our relationships with Women, my Brothers. I can promise a better future for all concerned if this simple concept is rationally understood.

    In other words; We'd better adapt/evolve or females w/the help of science, may make us all obsolete. If modern society has brought any progress for women its their growing realization that they don't/won't really need men to bring about a peaceful and equitable future, which kinda goes hand in hand with some of the postings above. It seems apparent to me, that 'some' men resent the fact that women today are more self reliant than at any other time in history…..and that alone I feel, just gets some guys (centuries old) hardware all messed up.

    Sorry to ramble……sorry to roam….

    TBH; if my wife of over 35 years behaved like some of the above descriptions ……..well……..

    Men have had their way with the world for long enough IMO, and should seek/find other ways to bring the 2 sexes together - rather than inventing/justifying divisions.
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    The statistics do say that more than 40% of the victims of domestic abuse are men.. But this is often not reported or not taken seriously when reported. So for every 10 seconds a man beats a woman, every 12 seconds a woman beats a man. And this is going on for a few hundred years it seems. Also, women have a history of abusive relation and/or verbal/physical violence against children, elderly, other family members and non-violent males. (no link, paper was paywalled) This I have seen demonstrated a few times. For any rational discussion these things should not be ignored of course.

    On the other hand, I live in the country that is labeled 'best place to live for women'.

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    Thank's everyone, I feel a Thought Lab begin'n to warm up. qbit bubble....???? need more data, like convincingly, ‘feminine-identified-person data.. looks like there is only, ‘masculine-identified person data, in this sand-box so far..
    ‘masculine-identified person = 0
    ‘feminine-identified-person = 1
    qbits can't happen without both.. I'll go find some...

    Polarity: The Language Of Sex (Men & Women Have Differences)


    maybe kitties will work?
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    Thanks RhythmAnarchy. The 'polarity' link was/is very informative. I hope everyone checks it out.

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