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    One must have faith to become a believer....

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    > I can't think of any metric where someone can be 400x better than anyone...

    I can !

    If you play MMORPG's online, you can find folk who you can measure are more than 400x better than Joe Average, they are often gifted, and work hard.

    There is a tendency lets say, as folk get better and better, that they tend towards Machiavellian style solutions.

    So I think ideally you may only want someone 200x better before they start to go evil..

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    > What I hear is the magical people want back in the EU and are willing to withdraw from the UK to do it. Is that true?

    Yes some folk here want that.

    Looking at the historical data it appears over the last 50 years that 4 million right wing Scots have left, and 4.5 million left wing English folk have moved here..

    As such, those in the cities and towns (Who tend towards unemployment, or service industry jobs..) tend to vote left wing, whilst those who live in the countryside (Who tend to do the actual hard work like farming, and industry..) tend to vote right wing.

    Our industrial growth is rather static at the moment, due to several reasons, most of them appear to be self-inflicted..

    (Eg. it took over a decade to get planning permission for a wind farm, whilst a friend of mine who lives in another country, they just rubber stamped one there and it was built years ago, and said friend enjoys cheap renewable energy at something like 20% the price I do!)


    I reckon if they keep having a vote ( Referendum ) on the issue, eventually enough folk will vote the right way..

    Once all those troublesome right winger Scottish folk die of old age of course. :-)

    Trouble is, they can often live to over a hundred years old, so will still be around for a while yet..

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    Perhaps an example might help, Elon Musk, 1000x better than Joe Average ?

    Just what did he do right that others who wanted to build electric cars did wrong.. ?

    I think perhaps selling PayPal to Ebay was a good move. :-)

    I'm very interested in the small steps (And aspects of luck!) which someone finds themselves to get to a position of success, in case there are any I can copy myself !

    Though its pretty hard to be in the right place at the right time unless you have a lot of wealth to move to the right place in the first place !

    Or you happen to be born there..

    But you might happen to be born in the right place, and then have to move !


    I reckon if we understood better the conditions for success, we might be able to replicate some of them to enable more successful people to appear.

    As, to get to an RBE type world, we could do with thousands of Elon Musk's all working together..


    I think TZM at one point did have those people, but squandered the resource by poor management. (A common problem I notice with many groups.)

    But some groups are successful, why, I'm not really sure. (Even though I try and study them as best I can.)

    One in particular started on a forum and went on to be a £100 Million company !
    (As such, the chat transcripts are available to view, where you can read what everyone said to each other, but it still isn't clear how they went from a bunch of folk with a good idea, to actually building that worked!)

    As such I'm testing out various approaches myself to see if I can replicate the success there. (So far success is limited to only getting a hundred people together in a room with a similar interest in mind, little in the way of practical help so far to actually build what I have in mind.)

    This here too is an attempt to see if its possible to kickstart any RBE building efforts. (So far at least, we have a mixture of people with different approaches, so in theory we have the manpower to do something, but what can a bunch of folk with geographical limitations manage..)

    At the moment, we appear to be instilling each other with wisdom and knowledge, which is helpful.

    But when do we start to build things!
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > I can't think of any metric where someone can be 400x better than anyone...

    If you play MMORPG's online, you can find folk who you can measure are more than 400x better than Joe Average, they are often gifted, and work hard..
    I don't know much about that, but isn't it a cumulative score? Maybe we can find folks who drive 400x more miles, but that doesn't mean they are 400x better drivers. Likewise, someone with a 400x better score isn't 400x times better player.

    I've known guys who have gotten addicted to those games (WOW) and they were anything but gifted and hard-working. The reason I've never played is the same reason I've never done cocaine.

    I think the range of human capability is capped at about 10x. Maybe 20x. So the highest salary should be 10-20x $50,000 or $1 million because there is no possible way to justify a differential bigger than that. In reality, it's highly unlikely that the ones making $1 million are indeed 20x better than their average employee.

    So the law should read that anyone making more than 20x of their average employee will pay 100% tax on the amount above that and that's before any deductions. That way, if you want to help yourself make more money, you have to help your average employee make more. No loopholes, no way around it, and stock ownership in your own company counts.
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    > That way, if you want to help yourself make more money, you have to help your average employee make more.

    I quite like that idea.

    Though not sure how it might apply to say authors or musician's who only employ themselves. :-)


    > I've known guys who have gotten addicted to those games (WOW) and they were anything but gifted and hard-working.

    There is a difference between ordinary players who might be addicted and those who are the 1% :-)


    In such games you can find folk who are like the President of the USA, in charge of a huge area of resources, who have climbed their way to the top.


    Interestingly I hear that some government organisations use them as recruiting grounds for various roles..

    One such is:

    US Military Recruits Gamers To Fly Killer Predator Drones


    Talking about salary x stuff, reminds me of the ancient Greeks, though I can't find easily a reference to how the richer someone was, the more they had to pay towards upkeep of the military.

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    That is one many reasons why I want to build an RBE like MMORPG, because if we can get people to play who end up as that 1%, and are very good at running an RBE like world, then those are the most ideal people who we might be able to recruit to build an actual RBE like world. :-)

    We might also be able to study them and figure out some common elements in how they are so good at their job. (And even perhaps build some AI elements to replicate what they do..)

    There is much to learn from studying others I reckon. (And of course, the role luck has in all of this !)

    It isn't uncommon for example in an MMORPG, that whoever gets to a new area first, is the one that ends up rich. :-)

    But over time, wars are fought and someone who was lucky at first, may not have the skills and ability to hold onto their lands, and fall prey to someone more gifted in that area.

    I've experimented a little in such games and that is where I first noticed the potential for RBE like cooperation producing economically more benefits than our current dog eat dog approach.

    But quite how you develop RBE like solutions whilst defending yourself from non-RBE like solutions that want to war declare is another matter !
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > That way, if you want to help yourself make more money, you have to help your average employee make more.

    I quite like that idea.

    Though not sure how it might apply to say authors or musician's who only employ themselves. :-)
    Anyone who employs themselves is off the hook. The issue is the wealth divide through the exploitation of labor, so if you work for yourself, you cannot possible exploit yourself. I'm going to do a thread about the problem of employing others.

    Also, if you own two companies, you can make 20x of the average of each company for a 40x total. That's another way of getting ahead. Of course, monopolies would still need to be addressed because the element of competition must be preserved.

    > I've known guys who have gotten addicted to those games (WOW) and they were anything but gifted and hard-working.

    There is a difference between ordinary players who might be addicted and those who are the 1% :-)
    I'll have to take your word for it since I've never met any of the elite gamers. I have an addictive personality and need to stay away from that kinda thing.

    In such games you can find folk who are like the President of the USA, in charge of a huge area of resources, who have climbed their way to the top.
    By what means? That's the issue. I've heard you can buy accounts on ebay.

    Interestingly I hear that some government organisations use them as recruiting grounds for various roles..

    One such is:

    US Military Recruits Gamers To Fly Killer Predator Drones
    I bet there is a lot of competition for that job!

    Talking about salary x stuff, reminds me of the ancient Greeks, though I can't find easily a reference to how the richer someone was, the more they had to pay towards upkeep of the military.
    That makes sense. But now we print the money to pay the military and they aren't paid that much anyway because most who join usually have no other options in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    That is one many reasons why I want to build an RBE like MMORPG, because if we can get people to play who end up as that 1%, and are very good at running an RBE like world, then those are the most ideal people who we might be able to recruit to build an actual RBE like world. :-)
    I think the only way to have an RBE is to have the whole world involved or else someone will hoard all the copper and cause a collapse. There is no island that has every resource on it already and many things would need to be imported. The only way it would work is on a global scale.

    I think RBE will evolve naturally as robotics takes over and in the meantime we identify the problems of the current system and educate everyone so the wool can no longer be pulled over the eyes of the masses. Bernie could have beaten Trump if not for Hillary getting in the way, so the base is growing towards an RBE-type thing.

    I don't think we will live to see it, but we can lay the groundwork and live to see some things taking shape. I think some generations are going to have to die and others come up with new perspectives and that's going to take time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    Perhaps an example might help, Elon Musk, 1000x better than Joe Average ?
    We need to put this Musk-thing to bed:

    Musk was born on June 28, 1971, in Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa,[29] the son of Maye Musk (née Haldeman), a model and dietician from Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada;[30]

    she has been a model for 50 years appearing on the covers of magazines including Time. The New York Post asserted her self-earned fame by declaring she is "a star in her own right."[3] She also has a business as a dietician.[4]
    Mom was rich, pretty, and fed her kids well.

    Errol Musk, a South African electromechanical engineer, pilot and sailor.
    Dad was super-cool.

    One can only imagine what it must have been like growing up with parents like that.

    At age 10, he developed an interest in computing with the Commodore VIC-20.[38] He taught himself computer programming at the age of 12, sold the code for a BASIC-based video game he created called Blastar, to a magazine called PC and Office Technology, for approximately $500.[39][40] A web version of the game is available online.[39][41]
    He had an avid interest in computers that was reinforced by a measure of success early on.

    Musk was initially educated at private schools, attending the English-speaking Waterkloof House Preparatory School. Musk later graduated from Pretoria Boys High School and moved to Canada in June 1989
    Private schools = rich.

    At the age of 17, Musk was accepted into Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, for undergraduate study. In 1992, after spending two years at Queen's University, Musk transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where, at the age of 24, he received a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from its College of Arts and Sciences, and a Bachelor of Science degree in economics from its Wharton School of Business.
    Physics degree is strange, but he's clearly very intelligent.

    In 1995, at age 24, Musk moved to California to begin a PhD in applied physics and materials science at Stanford University, but left the program after two days to pursue his entrepreneurial aspirations in the areas of the Internet, renewable energy and outer space.[40][48] In 2002, he became a U.S. citizen.[49][50]
    Boom! There you have it. He moved to Cali... the hotbed of computers.

    In 1995, Musk and his brother, Kimbal, started Zip2, a web software company, with US$2,000 of their father's money.[42] The company developed and marketed an Internet "city guide" for the newspaper publishing industry.[51] Musk obtained contracts with The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune[52] and persuaded the board of directors to abandon plans for a merger with CitySearch.[53] While at Zip2, Musk wanted to become CEO; however, none of the board members would allow it.[42] Compaq acquired Zip2 for US$307 million in cash and US$34 million in stock options in February 1999.[54] Musk received US$22 million for his 7% share from the sale.[52]
    He got lucky just like all those real estate developers who got rich during the bubble. So he was in the right spot with the right people and the right time with the right idea and got paid.

    In March 1999, Musk co-founded X.com, an online financial services and e-mail payment company, with US$10 million from the sale of Zip2.[43][51][53] One year later, the company merged with Confinity,[52][55] which had a money transfer service called PayPal. The merged company focused on the PayPal service and was renamed PayPal in 2001. PayPal's early growth was driven mainly by a viral marketing campaign where new customers were recruited when they received money through the service.[56] Musk was ousted in October 2000 from his role as CEO (although he remained on the board) due to disagreements with other company leadership, notably over his desire to move PayPal's Unix-based infrastructure to Microsoft Windows.[57] In October 2002, PayPal was acquired by eBay for US$1.5 billion in stock, of which Musk received US$165 million.[58] Before its sale, Musk, who was the company's largest shareholder, owned 11.7% of PayPal's shares.[59]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

    Yada yada the rest is history.
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