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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    I've always been more fond of working smart instead of working hard.....
    I love both
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > I've always been more fond of working smart instead of working hard.....

    Me2, but sometimes/often.. there is no other way than hard work !

    For example, I wanted a fitted wardrobe and fitted desk, other than building it myself which took months, how else could I get it done smarter ?
    Work smart AND hard. If you find an easier way of doing something, that simply means you can take on additional tasks. At the end of the day, you will always be exhausted regardless how smart you work.

    If you do that, I think your odds of success rise dramatically. But,,, I guess seeing it that way is being lucky. Lots of people have no motivation and there seems to be no cure for that. That's a reason that I support UBI. If people had a shot of money, it may spur some motivation to do something. Gotta get the greed engine started.

    I started a new thread Secret to success
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    that's why i'm a big fan of hard work!
    You don't think you're lucky to have that attitude?

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    > This is how I can tell that you are not watching the videos I posted

    Oh I watch your video links !
    T'was just a wee rib-poking That 3-hr one I posted will put you to the test
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    You don't think you're lucky to have that attitude?
    depends what do you mean by "lucky"?
    isn't luck just a set of unknown variables we can't understand or can't predict in advance?

    there is no luck in the universe everything is governed by laws. there is randomness but i don't equate it to luck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    depends what do you mean by "lucky"?
    isn't luck just a set of unknown variables we can't understand or can't predict in advance?

    there is no luck in the universe everything is governed by laws. there is randomness but i don't equate it to luck...
    Luck is how tall you are. There is nothing you can do to change that. Some things we get to decide and some are luck.

    Some people have a lot of discipline. Maybe they served in the military or maybe they had the right environment or parenting or genes or whatever the reason, it's luck and not choice because how can one be determined to be determined? Alan Watts asks, "How can you, voluntarily, have an involuntary action?" Maybe one could grow into it and learn through practice (which is the idea of zen I guess), but it's comes easier for some than others and that's just luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophicDrippins View Post
    Luck is how tall you are. There is nothing you can do to change that. Some things we get to decide and some are luck.

    Some people have a lot of discipline. Maybe they served in the military or maybe they had the right environment or parenting or genes or whatever the reason, it's luck and not choice because how can one be determined to be determined? Alan Watts asks, "How can you, voluntarily, have an involuntary action?" Maybe one could grow into it and learn through practice (which is the idea of zen I guess), but it's comes easier for some than others and that's just luck.
    First of all height has a lot to do with nutrition but that's beside the point.

    If you're talking about how we view the world then i agree with you we can distinguish between luck and choice, but as far as nature there is nothing lucky or unlucky, objects just obey physical rules; we just don't understand the rules....yet.
    if it rains in the season was considered luck in past, but now we understand meteorology better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    First of all height has a lot to do with nutrition but that's beside the point.

    If you're talking about how we view the world then i agree with you we can distinguish between luck and choice, but as far as nature there is nothing lucky or unlucky, objects just obey physical rules; we just don't understand the rules....yet.
    if it rains in the season was considered luck in past, but now we understand meteorology better.
    Nutrition has something to do with it, but the difference between someone 2 meters and another 1.5 meters isn't nutrition. Like your hair color; it's nothing you can say that you've accomplished and is just the result of laws of the universe or "the luck of the draw".

    The reason for this discussion is to answer the question of why we reward people for things they were merely lucky to possess and not what came about through accomplishment.

    One year I planted some fancy grass seed and that was the year the rainfall exceeded what anyone had ever seen. The rains continually washed my seed away and pounded the sprouts into the mud. How did I pick the worst year in a century to plant grass? I finally got my grass growing just in time to battle the droughts that followed. What luck! Under a meritocracy, I suck! But it's not me... I blame it on the rain.

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    > That's a reason that I support UBI. If people had a shot of money, it may spur some motivation to do something. Gotta get the greed engine started.

    Agreed.

    Plus, with a shot of money, you have resources to do something, which you otherwise could not because you are too poor !

    Even if only 1% of people on UBI make use of the money to do something that benefits humanity, that is a lot more people than before.

    I've met countless folk in my life who if they had just a little bit more money, could have explored that interest of theirs, which in turn one day could have turned into a useful product for you and I to make life better.
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    > why we reward people for things they were merely lucky to possess and not what came about through accomplishment.

    You make it sound like someone working for 10 years to build up a business is just 'merely lucky to possess'..


    Now if you was talking about penis size. :-)

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    > how can one be determined to be determined?

    I think religion knows a trick or two about that, as it bans certain things, I reckon because it has learned that such behaviours/things effect determination.


    I wonder if there has been any studies to find out which things religions are right about ?

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