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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > chance isn't anything anyone has control over.

    I'm not so sure about that. :-)

    (Whilst I do agree luck plays a big part in ones life and fortune, and that many people do think they are more skilled than lucky.)


    Lets say you had the chance to move to a new area, which area do you choose ?

    You can guess that one area is going to be more lucky for you than another, but how do you know in advance which !
    All you can do is guess which area is best. You can't know because the universe is filled with too many variables.

    The Story of the Chinese Farmer



    Also, if you try to make your luck good, you're apt to find nothing but bad luck. I usually win a game of billiards when I don't care to win and lose when I'm trying.

    Here is an account of trying to make your own luck by trying to make the stock market pay for a fur coat: https://www.drwealth.com/2010/10/24/...-your-desires/



    I need to organize all this, but here is a post I made last year on this topic: The Rise of The Alt Right

    I'll copy it here:



    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    Yes, I do think luck can play a role. There is however, no way to get around the fact that some people are superior in many ways (so no, it isn't simply just that some people are good at this or that and others are good at something else [like the theory of multiple intelligences or something along those lines]) and so you're going to have people at the top regardless as to whether you work hard or not. Some people don't even have to work hard and just have a natural talent for what they do. Some people work hard and still have bad performance. This is why I doubt the existence of freewill.
    All good points, but the trouble is that the people at the top are not the ones who are most superior. Yes, they are superior to some, but they are not the smartest, most creative, etc, etc. They are merely smart enough, creative enough, and then got lucky. Chance favors the prepared mind.

    40% said family connections (ie luck).
    50% said stock options, which are handed out like candy at halloween (ie luck).
    55% said inheritance. (ie luck)
    65% said luck. (at least they're honest).
    70% said "in the right place at the right time" (ie luck)
    70% said risk taking (ie luck).
    75% said smart investing, which is mostly luck. Actually, lemmings are favored in the stock market because if you have any brains, you're likely broke because you'd be smart enough to see the earnings are fictitious, accounting is a gimmick, it's a ponzi scheme based on endless supplies of cheap debt, and you'd have sold or bet against the market and went bust long ago. The only ones making money are the ones dumb enough to believe the bs or the ones super-smart enough to see that there are enough lemmings to hold prices up. (kind of a financial evolution where the dumbest are selected and the smart are punished).

    So, I'd say it's true that mostly the rich are somewhat genetically superior to the bottom of the barrel types, but they aren't the best or even that close.

    The smartest man in the US is worth about $8k per year. Nice genes... real big guy (head is so big a bike helmet won't fit), 190 IQ, empathetic (hence his lack of wealth), oh and he's white. If he had kissed the right butt and towed the line, perhaps he'd be rich too.

    85% said hard work. Well, who doesn't work hard? No great epiphany there. But only the lucky have that hard work translate into great wealth. What % of small businesses fail? What % are merely mediocre? What sliver of a % turn into Microsoft? Not to take away from Gates, but if not for the stock market (and fed printing), he'd be a mere millionaire if all he had were profits from software sales.

    85% said education. Now there is something we can sink our teeth into, but even then, you're lucky if you can get the right kind of education (indoctrination).

    Mark Twain said to never let your schooling interfere with your education
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    Also, I can find 3 studies which cite a .4 correlation between brains and money. So, .4 x. 4 = 16%. Not very good.

    Most smart people are poor. Most rich people are smart. The problem is that the poor group is SO much bigger than the rich group and far more smart people are found there than in the rich group. That explains why there is little correlation between brains and money.

    I'll even go further out on a limb and say that smart people are likely to have problems which prevent them from being rich. Downsides of intelligence were discussed here: How to stop the renewed rise of Fascism

    Warren Buffett has a 150 IQ, but he also had a great father who imparted much wisdom. Chris Langan has a 190 IQ and had to kick his stepdad's butt.

    At the age of twelve years, Langan began weight training, and forcibly ended the abuse by throwing his stepfather out of the house when he was fourteen, and telling him never to return.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan

    We have to de-link from the idea that rich people are somehow more deserving than anyone else. If you're interested in meritocracy, then what we have now is like a tie for first place, but only one guy gets a medal... the other 1000s of winners get nothing.
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    Our obsession and beliefs in these kinds of nonsensical things is a 'small' part of what makes us human...and fortunately different from all other known species....and what remains most frustrating (to me) in these modern times is the spreading tribalism instead of the elimination of it...

    We're repeating similar mistakes made 100 years ago that gave rise to the NAZI's ... and the people and their leaders are clueless to see it.....likely because they don't bother to READ....unless its on youtube....

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    > You can't know because the universe is filled with too many variables.

    I reckon you can if you are smart enough.


    > empathetic (hence his lack of wealth)

    Is that what makes smart people poor ?


    > who doesn't work hard?

    Actually a surprising number of people don't !

    I've met countless people through my life who wanted to run their own business, or who wanted to do a particularly well paid job. But one of the common areas they fell down on was putting the hours in, they just didn't want to work every waking moment of the day to make something happen. Instead they wanted to spend the least amount of time working, so instead they either stayed unemployed, or in dead end jobs and never went any further, simply because they was lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > You can't know because the universe is filled with too many variables.

    I reckon you can if you are smart enough.


    > empathetic (hence his lack of wealth)

    Is that what makes smart people poor ?


    > who doesn't work hard?

    Actually a surprising number of people don't !

    I've met countless people through my life who wanted to run their own business, or who wanted to do a particularly well paid job. But one of the common areas they fell down on was putting the hours in, they just didn't want to work every waking moment of the day to make something happen. Instead they wanted to spend the least amount of time working, so instead they either stayed unemployed, or in dead end jobs and never went any further, simply because they was lazy.
    "Humans seek to satisfy their desires with the least exertion" -Henry George
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > You can't know because the universe is filled with too many variables.

    I reckon you can if you are smart enough.
    No it takes waaayy more than any amount of brainpower can ever achieve. This is in the realm of the Supernatural & Psychical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > You can't know because the universe is filled with too many variables.

    I reckon you can if you are smart enough.
    One would need to be infinitely smart to consider all the variables in the universe. It can't be done and that's why we can't differentiate a blessing from a curse.

    > empathetic (hence his lack of wealth)

    Is that what makes smart people poor ?
    No, but people who have a lot of empathy aren't going to be cut-throat enough.

    "Nice guys finish last."

    > who doesn't work hard?

    Actually a surprising number of people don't !
    What I meant was: of the people who are working towards being rich, who doesn't work hard?

    I've met countless people through my life who wanted to run their own business, or who wanted to do a particularly well paid job. But one of the common areas they fell down on was putting the hours in, they just didn't want to work every waking moment of the day to make something happen. Instead they wanted to spend the least amount of time working, so instead they either stayed unemployed, or in dead end jobs and never went any further, simply because they was lazy.
    This is how I can tell that you are not watching the videos I posted

    The Dilbert Creator, Scott Adams, explained that really well. 1000s of people will try, but the lone lucky one will say "hard work" was the secret of his success.

    Of course if you don't work hard and put in the hours, you're not going to get lucky, but 1000s of people work hard and put in hours and never get lucky.

    You could work day and night on your electric cars and fail miserably because it may not be the right time... or any one of the oodles of other variables. If you succeed, it will be because you got lucky in addition to all the work.

    I knew a woman who thought she was a brilliant real estate developer. She made a lot of money because of a series of lucky breaks where she got a good deal on land and good terms on buying the land. She made a killing in the bubble, but was too proud to admit it was luck and laughed at the idea. Consequently, she spent it all by living the good life and then discovered she wasn't so skillful when her luck ran out.

    Honestly, the fact that you're able to work at all, or even have the work-ethic to work hard, or are even alive... all that is luck.

    People should be a little more humble, I think. Everyone takes blessings for granted and attributes luck to skill. That's not to say that we should throw our hands up and wait for our ship to come in because everything is about luck, but that there is a Middle Way where we work hard, but also realize that we're lucky to be able to work hard.
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    One can always improve their situation by working hard so working hard is a known variable that can predictably changed.....

    But how can one change their luck??? they can't. if you move to a different area or practice a skill, or trying a new approach then its not luck. that's why i'm a big fan of hard work!

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    > This is how I can tell that you are not watching the videos I posted

    Oh I watch your video links !

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL9000 View Post
    One can always improve their situation by working hard so working hard is a known variable that can predictably changed.....

    But how can one change their luck??? they can't. if you move to a different area or practice a skill, or trying a new approach then its not luck. that's why i'm a big fan of hard work!
    I've always been more fond of working smart instead of working hard.....
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    > I've always been more fond of working smart instead of working hard.....

    Me2, but sometimes/often.. there is no other way than hard work !

    For example, I wanted a fitted wardrobe and fitted desk, other than building it myself which took months, how else could I get it done smarter ?
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