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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > When we pay taxes for property

    I remember a discussion some time ago where someone gave compelling logic as to why an income tax is superior to a property tax, on the basis that someone might have a property, but no income.

    I guess the property tax was brought in to stop people hoarding property and doing nothing with it. :-)
    I don't know, but in general we need taxes to fund government. I don't know of any other method of doing that & if there's a better way I'd probably support it. I'd rather fund our highway system the way we do now with taxes, rather than having say a toll booth on every corner, entrance, exit, and every mile; that would be so inefficient and annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > have you ever heard of Moore's law?

    I have yes, but when I saw that video, it dawned on me that there are other factors at play which can slow down development and even stop it, that we haven't taken into account in our planning of the future.

    Eg. Moore's law seems to only apply as long as you have enough resources to develop the technology, and that each progressive step takes more and more resources to achieve, eventually you hit hard resource limits and development stops.

    Is perhaps why the Romans never got as far as developing ICBM's, even though they had hundreds of years to further develop arrow technology..


    As such, the answer tends to be around developing what technology we have today, for a better society, and not expect tomorrow's technology to solve all of our problems, because we probably won't get there !

    Not unless we get into some kind of TZM solution that creates a more sustainable economic environment for us to continue technological development in, or we could end up going the way of the Inca or Myians.
    I'm convinced that as long as we're under capitalism, we'd might as well let it be free market rather than central planning (aka state capitalism), because free market is progressive while central planning is regressive and not very effective. I think that free market capitalism, if allowed to proceed unhindered, is bound to make capitalism become obsolete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I'm convinced that as long as we're under capitalism, we'd might as well let it be free market rather than central planning (aka state capitalism), because free market is progressive while central planning is regressive and not very effective. I think that free market capitalism, if allowed to proceed unhindered, is bound to make capitalism become obsolete.
    I'm not as convinced.....because I believe we already have 'Central Planning' or State Capitalism' or something more akin to a twisted version of Mussolini's 'Corporatism'.....which has 'prospered' immensely under the 'guise' of so-called Free Market Capitalism

    How Free is the alleged Free market?

    Go ahead....Do you have an idea or product you'd like to SHARE with the World?

    "Try" to join this so-called Free market, try to find an existing 'ethics' Rule Book, try to find any human compassion within it ......go ahead....try......
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    > Do you have an idea or product you'd like to SHARE with the World?

    I do!

    I'm always stumbling across ideas, here is one I spotted the other day:

    Cock rings.

    It seems there are no perfect designed one out there, the nearest you get is a Germany company that makes some, but they do a restricted size, aren't open to the concept of making a larger range, and there are still some design issues that need addressing in their product.

    Now, considering they was made since at least the Roman times. (I've seen one of those, and it was almost perfect in its design, but not quite..)

    You'd think by now we would have got the perfect design already in production for the last hundred+ years, but no !


    Just imagine, selling millions of RBE branded cock rings !

    But I don't suppose anyone is going to run with the idea are they..

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    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    I'm not as convinced.....because I believe we already have 'Central Planning' or State Capitalism' or something more akin to a twisted version of Mussolini's 'Corporatism'.....which has 'prospered' immensely under the 'guise' of so-called Free Market Capitalism
    It sounds like what you're talking about is merely how we don't have something that's very close to a free market & I would agree with that. It's not the proponents of free market capitalism that are referring to something that isn't free market as free market. In fact the point that the proponents of free market capitalism make is that we can't say it's not working well because we don't currently have that; so how can we say that free market capitalism is failing if it's not being tried?

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    How Free is the alleged Free market?
    It's not free right now; it's being held hostage.

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    Go ahead....Do you have an idea or product you'd like to SHARE with the World?
    I have several.

    Quote Originally Posted by droneBEE View Post
    "Try" to join this so-called Free market, try to find an existing 'ethics' Rule Book, try to find any human compassion within it ......go ahead....try......
    Yes, it's not easy & seems unfair. At least with the free market, if you have an idea you want to share, the state isn't getting in your way in one manner or another.

    I think the libertarians are the ones essentially trying to spread awareness of the ethics involved in capitalism, which in a nutshell is that it is in situations that go against a free market system under capitalism that can lead to ethical problems. It's pretty easy to see why this is so: imagine any state law that imposes a market restriction, ban, or mandate; for example, suppose there's a ban on a substance that can save lives or treat cancer, and people die because it's illegal to obtain that substance. Libertarians do point out this kind of problem, only in a more general way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouTuber View Post
    > Do you have an idea or product you'd like to SHARE with the World?

    I do!

    I'm always stumbling across ideas, here is one I spotted the other day:

    Cock rings.

    It seems there are no perfect designed one out there, the nearest you get is a Germany company that makes some, but they do a restricted size, aren't open to the concept of making a larger range, and there are still some design issues that need addressing in their product.

    Now, considering they was made since at least the Roman times. (I've seen one of those, and it was almost perfect in its design, but not quite..)

    You'd think by now we would have got the perfect design already in production for the last hundred+ years, but no !


    Just imagine, selling millions of RBE branded cock rings !

    But I don't suppose anyone is going to run with the idea are they..
    Have you thought about 3D printing some prototypes? You can even make prototypes that are flexible using a special type of filament:


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    > Have you thought about 3D printing some prototypes?

    I have yes !

    Saving up for one is on my todo list, as I'm sure it will come in handy for all kinds of projects.

    So far in my research about them, it would appear that if I want to do ABS plastic I need an enclosed printer for best results, something like:

    Review: The da Vinci 1.0 Pro 3D printer reaches for the higher end | Computerworld

    I hear you can replace the firmware with a better version too, related link:

    Using Non-Crappy Software With The Da Vinci Printer | Hackaday

    Unbricking The Da Vinci And Installing Custom Firmware | Hackaday

    Sadly I don't have enough time or resources to follow up on everything I think of, so I'm quite happy to throw out ideas there which may benefit others.


    I had hoped that TZM might develop towards the area of hacker spaces with tools and equipment to enable TZM'ers to start developing real world solutions and building them, but we have rather stalled at the stage of even thinking money is a useful tool.

    Except for a few good eggs like Douglas Mallette and CFS for example, that I really hoped would have done better. (Perhaps if he had lowered his funding requirement to a more realistic level, he could have got something off the ground.)

    Related link:

    Cybernated Farm Systems (CFS) | i-genius

    People like him give me inspiration that I too might manage something like that.

    But for now, I can't even afford to buy land to start the whole thing off !

    But one day...
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    I've got some friends who wanted to remain in the city but still embrace the concept of communal living.. So they pooled their resources, put together some rules of conduct and a SHARED vision and BOUGHT a HOUSE, a 3 story victorian that was in disrepair.

    FIFTY some years later, That House is now one of the nicest ones on the block, in the middle of what was once a ghetto, but is now a thriving UN type of neighborhood, full of 'active' people willing to participate in COMMUNITY.

    Don't tell me why it can't be done, because it can....I know better....I've seen the result...and they are GOOD.....Hard work but worth every minute.....

    "get busy living or get busy dying" ....just get busy!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev View Post
    I agree, it's a good question. The short answer is that automated self-cleaning toilets are already a happening thing. The video below is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm not trying to argue that all RBE automation problems are already being solved. I wish that was true, but it isn't. This is just proof of principle - crap jobs can be eliminated by automation.
    I think this is a common problem in some public toilets. I stayed in one of the developing countries and if I compare with other developed countries, it may be alarming. By the way, I liked the video. This could be the solution for all of us. I have reference for another example.

    Waste Water Treatment Indonesia to save the world, especially our water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I don't know, but in general we need taxes to fund government. I don't know of any other method of doing that & if there's a better way I'd probably support it. I'd rather fund our highway system the way we do now with taxes, rather than having say a toll booth on every corner, entrance, exit, and every mile; that would be so inefficient and annoying.
    Yeah no kidding! Dad always had great enthusiasm in telling me how the toll booths were supposed to be temporary until the highway was paid for and that's a lot like income taxes that were also supposed to be temporary and only for the rich. If the gov says something is to be temporary, expect it to be permanent.

    But now we have the technology to automatically debit your account as you pass each mile-marker which removes the annoyance and inefficiency from the equation

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